Need B4 Greed

[Quikster]

did you state in the lfm that you dont want to acution loot? did you say it befor starting?
if not, then you have no point here

no. I dont need to. If they auction loot during my raid, I dont raid with them anymore usually. Why do I need to state it in the lfm?

[Fenrisulven6]

Issuing threats over the internet is very weak .. So dont come in here and threaten me

For the 3rd time, I have never threatened you.

I have merely pointed out the hypocrisy of you and others who demand personal info so you can grief players in game for disagreeing with you on the forums. But when asked to provide personal info in return, you feel "threatened".

[Quikster]

For the 3rd time, I have never threatened you.

I have merely pointed out the hypocrisy of you and others who demand personal info so you can grief players in game for disagreeing with you on the forums. But when asked to provide personal info in return, you feel "threatened".

First. Im not going to give out personal information to people i dont know. If you cannot understand this, I cannot continue this conversation. Second, your wording implied that I should hand out personal info so others who disagreed with me could grief me. You dont agree with me, so how are you not included. I had a very heated disagreement with another poster here, and not once did he ask for personal info. So, it does indeed look like you are threatening. Did you say im gunna come to your house and torch it? No you didnt, but I dont need you to give me a specific example of retibution to realized an implied threat. You can argue semantics and wording all you want, but you in fact threatened me.

Second, I asked for someones alt and guild name. Where in the world did you see me griefing anyone? The fact is you didnt, so at this point you're just talking out your arse and its starting to really stink in here.

[beelzebaba]

I havent had to deal with this issue much on Sarlona as when we do runs we often fill raids with people we know or short man it.

On argonessen we simply would put up a /reserved on the lfm for 5 minutes for the last few remaining spots. It usually weeds out most people who dont know you or the culture of the run your having. Most ppl you know will ask if there is a spot anyway.

For raids like shroud it isnt a big deal as no bound loot falls out of there. But for guilds who will actually be completing the new raids or in any raid with bound loot, perhaps it may be best not to include people you dont know for the last few spots to avoid this type of thing.

There are instances where i definatly prefer the you loot your choice thing. I love joining an lfm that says YLYC for titans, so i can bring cleric or sorc to try and get belt without guilt.

So perhaps just having rules defined in a pug or when running with guild will be enough to avoid this kind of stuff from happening on runs your in. When rules are not defined in a pug what happens then. Obviously people dont seem to agree.

would it be frowned upon for me to pass an item to a fellow guildy without putting it up for roll? What if its a pug with 3 or more guildies in it? do they just get lucky then? doesnt seem fair, but if this is the norm for pugs, i definatly would like to know.

On a side note, someone had typed that all this could be avoided using a channel.... i know this is a very true statement. However i love to pug and meet new ppl, and size up how good the other ppl i never met are. It can be challenging and rewarding. Seems a shame to have to exclude people you might have enjoyed grouping with.

I cant imagine something that happened in the OP to happen on a guild run. Yeah ppl can do what they want with their loot. If i were the wiz in that run i would have been sooooo happy to put a smile on someones face, twice as happy if it were a guildy. I also would have been happy to be the sorc, and in a guild run it just means we all get stronger cause of it.

I never want to play with people that would rather vendor a +3 tome or loot one out of spite because they felt they werent getting market value out of the deal. For those of you that have never given away a +3 tome and seen someone go bonkers over it.... give it a shot sometime. I have only ever recieved 1 +3 tome this way, but it was one i needed badly and i never looked at that person the same nor forgotten it.

Greed sucks, there is plenty of play money to go around to act like a piece of **** over imaginary money.

[Fenrisulven6]

Did you say im gunna come to your house and torch it? No you didnt, but I dont need you to give me a specific example of retibution to realized an implied threat. You can argue semantics and wording all you want, but you in fact threatened me.

] Where in the world did you see me griefing anyone? The fact is you didnt, so at this point you're just talking out your arse and its starting to really stink in here.

See your own quote above. By your own standards: "I don't need you to give me a specific example of retribution to realize and implied threat. You can argue semantics all you want, but you in fact threatened me".

Again quikster, why do you demand names of toons and guilds of peeps who disagree with you on the forums if not to serve "retribution" in-game? Maybe if I move the mirror in closer to you, you'll finally get it.

[Kalari]

Hmm this thread is still going on. Ive stated my piece on this Im just glad of two things

1. The squelch feature in here and in the game since I will definitely be using it towards some of the more childish nonsense I seen of late. Fen you should have made your point and walked away. Your taking this waay too personal and I can only feel sorry for you that this issue is such a big deal that you have to keep going on. Or maybe like Bran you get something out of baiting over and over when you dont agree with something. Either way Like Bran I unfortunately have to add you to that small group of people on here. Simply because you strike me as the type that no matter what has to be right and hold very little leeway to see others pov.

2. Im very glad that I have a great guild and know enough good people in game where the op's scenario will hardly be an issue. Its why many people short man or wait and fill guild/close friend/allied guild only now. And why you may see more of that down the road. Quite frankly it was the wizards loot and yes when something in the chest drops in your name you are lucky. What you choose to do with that luck can make you known as generous and come back to you. Or you can be the person behind a long arse thread of flames.

Either way this issue is moot everyones made their point just like I obviously cannot convince people that sharing the wealth with bound loot they have no use for. I am pretty darn sure no one can convince me that the wizard was right in doing what he did. Its called opinion and just like a**holes everyone got them and some just might stank.

[Quikster]

See your own quote above. By your own standards: "I don't need you to give me a specific example of retribution to realize and implied threat. You can argue semantics all you want, but you in fact threatened me".

Again quikster, why do you demand names of toons and guilds of peeps who disagree with you on the forums if not to serve "retribution" in-game? Maybe if I move the mirror in closer to you, you'll finally get it.

That question has been answered several times in this thread. If you think me choosing not to group with someone is griefing, you are truly beyond help. Oh and there was no demand for anything. You may do well to learn what a demand actually is.

[Fenrisulven6]

Greed sucks, there is plenty of play money to go around to act like a piece of **** over imaginary money.

I think everyone already agrees with that. The question is whether its poor form to act like a piece of blank over imaginary gear:

1) Would you ban a guy from your groups [thereby making it harder for him to play the game] simply because he refused to put an item up for a roll

2) If you're not going to meet his asking price in trade or in plat, is it really any of your business what he does with the item?

[Quikster]

I think everyone already agrees with that. The question is whether its poor form to act like a piece of blank over imaginary gear:

1) Would you ban a guy from your groups [thereby making it harder for him to play the game] simply because he refused to put an item up for a roll

2) If you're not going to meet his asking price in trade or in plat, is it really any of your business what he does with the item?

roflmao so now im supposed to allow anyone into my groups so its easier for them to play lol. Whatever on to the ignore list you go you are just too silly for me.

[Fenrisulven6]

That question has been answered several times in this thread. If you think me choosing not to group with someone is griefing, you are truly beyond help.

Multiple players in thread starting a blacklist of one player [over a petty issue] means he'll have a harder time finding groups to play with. Creating a public spectacle via the forums instead of PMs, sliming his rep via gossip and second-hand accounts, is also a deliberate attempt to get others to blacklist him as well. You're getting your "retribution" because he refused to give away his raid loot.

Which means you are deliberately limiting his ability to play the game. All because he would not fork over raid loot that you determined he had little use for.

So yes, by your own standards, you are griefing him.

[Fenrisulven6]

Whatever on to the ignore list you go you are just too silly for me.

You already did that 2 pages ago...

[Fenrisulven6]

Fen you should have made your point and walked away. Your taking this waay too personal and I can only feel sorry for you that this issue is such a big deal that you have to keep going on. Or maybe like Bran you get something out of baiting over and over when you dont agree with something.

No Kalari, I'm mostly just bored until the servers are back up.

That, and I find the sense of entitlement some peeps have for other peoples stuff to be immoral, unethical and selfish.

You reward people when they are generous; you don't punish them when they are not. Can we at least agree on that?

[SableShadow]

You reward people when they are generous; you don't punish them when they are not. Can we at least agree on that?

That doesn't work either.

[Fenrisulven6]

That doesn't work either.

[hoovskins]

Had the opposite happen to me. I forget who was with me, but after the puzzle was solved everybody went to loot. Before the eles were dead. That left me and a monk, to kill maybe 10 eles, so we could loot. Everybody else recalled out. Too bad really, I pulled a +3 Int tome. I already ate one, unfortunately nobody else was inside.
Karma's a Beech like that sometimes.

[moops]

Had the opposite happen to me. I forget who was with me, but after the puzzle was solved everybody went to loot. Before the eles were dead. That left me and a monk, to kill maybe 10 eles, so we could loot. Everybody else recalled out. Too bad really, I pulled a +3 Int tome. I already ate one, unfortunately nobody else was inside.
Karma's a Beech like that sometimes.

LOL awesome. I hate when people do that.

I've got 2 really lucky alts and have given away 9 0r 10 +3 tomes in Reaver, and in return Ive made some people overly happy, some still send me surprises My newest Cleric was given a +3 Wis tome her first time in there by a Caster, and I was really really happy--I do believe in Karma.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

Kewl, lol hopefully that rogue with you needed it. I also do believe in Karma, and act accordingly. That is one of my biggest pet peeves in the reaver is the folks who died and immediately go to looting chest when the puzzle is solved and don't even bother to set up cc (assuming they have the mana to do so).

[Dexxaan]

Thats impressive. It isn't often you get to use driblet in a sentence.

Driblet doesn't apply IMO. There's way too much material forthcoming from this fellow thats just wrong.

You demand people list their toons and guilds in their sig so you can take a forum dispute outside the forums and into the game.

Basically if you refuse to provide your Toons Names/Server, you'd think that if you are going to voice your opinion in a Forum you'd have no quarrel in standing by your comments. Or is that just me? If you afraid of being shunned or whatever trauma of yours might be exploited....don't come to an arena fight and throw rocks from behind curtains.... ok?

just comes down to this no matter how much he could have got for it you cant buy class.

Amen Brother!

Bah quik, hes not even from our server, thats why he doesn't get it.

Thats the 1st inch of a long thread of reasons Hexx...... I'm more interested in the ones that cause him to not "reveal himself" in a game!

[Quikster]

Driblet doesn't apply IMO. There's way too much material forthcoming from this fellow thats just wrong.

think quality not quantity


THREAD NECRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

is it me or does this thread look slimmer than it was a few days ago?

Garth

p.s. who ate my signature?