Need B4 Greed

[Dexxaan]

No, ethical issues. And the perp did admit that he would blacklist someone for not giving away their raid loot. So any reading issues are on your part, not mine.



When you demand generosity, its no longer generosity. Punishing someone with a blacklist because they didn't give away something they pulled is the cowardly act of a selfish bully and "is of very poor taste and shows a lack of character".

The use of my own words to make your point... or attempt to.... I'd almost swear Bran Makamuffin has risen from the Ashes.


Freedom to blacklist an arse hat.... plain and simple.

Of course all the drama does make for interesting reading.

Mr. OP. PM the Name and Guild please.

[Kalari]

woohoo now were Entitled socialist Nazi's

I guess being ebil isnt too bad after all at least I'll have in game harmony

Like I said before my way of playing isnt expected of everyone in game it just makes it better for groups all around to be generous with bound loot instead of greedy. I find letting people roll for something they can use fosters good will and allows the same to happen to me when a piece of loot I wish to have comes up. But meh whatever I will continue to be entitled and all the other insults and enjoy raid groups with other like minds

[Kalari]

The use of my own words to make your point... or attempt to.... I'd almost swear Bran Makamuffin has risen from the Ashes.


Freedom to blacklist an arse hat.... plain and simple.

Of course all the drama does make for interesting reading.

Mr. OP. PM the Name and Guild please.

Bah Dex hes back and disabled rep to lol I still have him on ignore but from what I read of people responding to him hes not changed much at all. I look forward to him interjecting some of his logic into this thread if he dares im sure someone will quote it so I can see it lol.

[apacheizm23]

By the way I am not a Communist. Someone mentioned it earlier and I said ok.. I am a communist I will be that.. Figure it would be someone from Texas who would quickly jump on it.. No disrespect to anyone from Texas as I have friends that live there also and love the state.I love it love it... Quickly give me some rep for it... Let me be myself--->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_XL7MtkZ8w

[Thrudh]

First, your showing "entitlement" because you believe someone "should" give up something that YOU BELIEVE they dont "need". In this example, yes the Wizard did state that he did not need it and was willing to part with it for a fee. Upon no one offering to pay for it, he decided to keep it. There is nothing wrong with that! Even if he had already used a +3 CHR tome on that character before, vendor trashing that tome would at least get him SOMETHING rather then nothing. I find it hard to believe that out of all the people present, no one could at least pony up 10k PP for a +3 Tome

You're not reading the thread very well... Most of us have no problems with a wizard (or ANY class) eating ANY +3 tome...

If someone VENDORS a +3 tome, he's an jerk. Simple. Sure it's his right to be an jerk, just like it's my right to not want to play with jerks...

I like to play with people who share, because I share... Makes for a better gaming experience for me...

Second, your showing your gullibility because your willing to put someone on ignore based ONLY on someone posting a statement of thier supposedly doing something wrong in game. Did you ever stop to think that maybe you willingness to do that could be abused by someone? Ever think there are some ******** in this game who would possibly come on the forums with a made up story and get you to start ignoring someone who doesn't deserve to be ignored?

This I agree with... I would never blacklist someone unless I saw them do it in my own group...

Here's the interesting thing... Most of this is academic... If someone keeps a +3 tome, I have no idea if they are going to vendor it... so I never care that they kept it... If someone stated "Hey, I'm going to vendor this unless someone buys it from me for 200k plat", then that person goes on my blacklist.

Pretty simple. Pretty fair... Not because I wanted the tome, but because the person is obviously someone I don't want to play with...

[Solmage]

You're using peer pressure to make him do what you want with his loot....

This is ridiculous. Your actions, the way you behave, all have consequences in how people perceive you and will choose, or choose not to, interact with you. Whether those actions are telling a lot of jokes, or talking a lot, or being a greedy spiteful jerk, they all have different reactions from different people.

pm and guild pls.

your loot your choice.

my groups my choice

This sums it up rather nicely. You have a freedom to do whatever you want. I have a freedom to group with like-minded individuals.

PM name and guild please.

[Fenrisulven6]

No, an equivalent response would be to offer to accept a trade from the guy for YOUR bound loot, but not let him roll for it if you decided to give it away. Blacklisting is overboard.

As for the rest of the "need b4 greed" bull, I think the devs should look at your inventories and decide if you really "need" some of the gear you have, and then demand that you hand it over to those they determine have a greater "need". And threaten to ban you from the game if you refuse. Maybe then you wouldn't be so free with stuff thats not yours. Because thats essentially what you're doing to the guy.

But thats different, we earned our loot

Yah, thats what I thought.

[Quikster]

No, an equivalent response would be to offer to accept a trade from the guy for YOUR bound loot, but not let him roll for it if you decided to give it away. Blacklisting is overboard.

As for the rest of the "need b4 greed" bull, I think the devs should look at your inventories and decide if you really "need" some of the gear you have, and then demand that you hand it over to those they determine have a greater "need". And threaten to ban you from the game if you refuse. Maybe then you wouldn't be so free with stuff thats not yours. Because thats essentially what you're doing to the guy.



Yah, thats what I thought.

Read this very slowly. Maybe even have a lawyer explain it to you so you can understand.

Do whatever you want with your loot. Repeat. Do whatever you want with your loot. If I don't like it, I won't group with ya. I simply cannot make it any plainer then this.

I am not telling anyone what to do with their loot. I never asked for the op to publicly print anyones name. I never said I would blacklist the offender bsed on this post. I never said I need his loot. I have clearly stated over and over, if I don't like the way you raid ( loot or otherwise) you will not be welcome into my groups. That's it. Please get off your high horse and read the things we post.

[Kalari]

Wow fen you just dont get it and I dont think any of us will convince you either way. You enjoy your groups where people work together then someone decides they want to sell something they clearly have no use for instead of being nice and letting others roll on it. The rest of us who have stated why we do not like said actions will continue to find groups where people share the wealth because we know that being generous comes back to you.

Instead of requiring us to give up loot that we have rolled on or calling for bans why dont you go and enjoy the game obviously your not gonna change our minds on this nor will we yours. I think your going a bit overboard with this now and was not gonna address your other comments since you have your convictions. But come on now people who work together in a raid all earned a shot at that tome in my opinion and many of us have and will continue to put up for rolls items we do not need but others do. Its called being nice didnt realize that concept was so friggan foreign.

[moops]

No, an equivalent response would be to offer to accept a trade from the guy for YOUR bound loot, but not let him roll for it if you decided to give it away. Blacklisting is overboard.

As for the rest of the "need b4 greed" bull, I think the devs should look at your inventories and decide if you really "need" some of the gear you have, and then demand that you hand it over to those they determine have a greater "need". And threaten to ban you from the game if you refuse. Maybe then you wouldn't be so free with stuff thats not yours. Because thats essentially what you're doing to the guy.

Yah, thats what I thought.

I think your forgetting that many people who still run reaver are running alts with 100 copper pieces on them, they don't have much to trade while in Reaver for an item that needs to be given to them at that moment. Is a guy thats going to take a tome oout of spite actually going to trust a trading to get an item/plat later?

Anyway--Yes almost everyone can run these 4 raids blindfolded were so sick of them, but when new raid comes out, different story--Its going to be expensive to run for a bit and I have no doubts that my guild will be getting it done, since were a small guild we'll have a couple spots and believe me, they are not going to anyone who I have personally seen acting Spiteful/selfish in a raid.

And I do have a list of people that I leave out of my raids, shoot me--My guild may be thought of as elitists but we have given a ton of raid loot away, and many put items up for roll that we actually need as well. Your loot your choice, my groups my choice--I choose to run with like minded people.

[~Quozl]

By the way I am not a Communist. Someone mentioned it earlier and I said ok.. I am a communist I will be that.. Figure it would be someone from Texas who would quickly jump on it.. No disrespect to anyone from Texas as I have friends that live there also and love the state.I love it love it... Quickly give me some rep for it... Let me be myself--->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_XL7MtkZ8w

If no disrespect intended for Texas, it probably need not have been mentioned in the first place.

I'm in Texas.

[Laggin]

It all comes down to need.

If the item will make my alt slightly better, than I'm taking it.

Raid loot, you never know whats coming down the pike, that belt might be useless now, but in 3 months, its exactly what I need.

My Barb has 4 sets of madstone boots, am I being greedy or prepared?

Bottom line is its my loot I'll do what I please with it.

The 13th Circle was like this from day one, when the Wisdom helm dropped on the Dragon and anyone could roll on it. Yes we had people that swore they would never run with us, we got over it, and we are still here.

I pay just like everyone else, how can I expect to tell someone what to do with their loot, when no ones telling me what I can do with mine.

Don't be bullied into giving away your raid loot if you don't want to. It's yours you can do whatever you want to.

Funny the original poster, they needed the tome so bad but did anyone even offer anything for it? Sounds like they picked the wrong time to get cheap.

[cdbd3rd]

There aren't enough people from other servers trolling this thread.

I'll help:

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20071231

[Kalari]

Still trying to find where people are telling others what to do with their loot. I know ive stated what I like to see done no where did I require it but since I do group with people who do the same thing I guess its come to be that being nice is a lot better to me and others then taking something you only wish to get gold from. It has nothing to do with being prepared and if it was apart of the wizards build no one would have said a darn thing.

That part keeps getting missed. But you know what this is good because the few times I do pug its nice to know who to avoid in raids. Its also good to know who I can run with and know that when something drops that anyone in the party can use they will think of everyone who contributed to the win and share the wealth. It is your 15 bucks so enjoy the game your way. Just dont get iffy if other people dont want to play your way just like your saying we shouldnt have the right to play our way you know sharing and being generous.

**** this server has gone loopy lately.

[moops]

That part keeps getting missed. But you know what this is good because the few times I do pug its nice to know who to avoid in raids. Its also good to know who I can run with and know that when something drops that anyone in the party can use they will think of everyone who contributed to the win and share the wealth.

Well. . .unfortunately almost ALL of the people who are on the other side of the issue from us--do not have their names in their sigs. . .

[Thrudh]

My Barb has 4 sets of madstone boots, am I being greedy or prepared?

Yeah, that's what we're talking about... Barbarians and madstone boots!!

Let's say in the new raid a month from now, a +4 STR tome drops for some character... He states "Man, I sure am lucky... I won a roll for a +4 STR tome just last night! And here I got another one... Well, I don't need it, so I guess I'll vendor it..."

Now, his loot, right?? But you don't think he's being a jerk? You don't see anything wrong with that?

There are times where taking raid loot is WRONG... like a warforged looting raid armor, or a dwarf looting a raid docent, or someone looting a tome and vendoring it.

We're not talking about the grey areas (yes, it's easy to bleed over into the grey areas, and we have to be careful not to do that), but can we all admit, at least, that there ARE some actual black-and-white situations??

Are you guys really saying that a warforged taking raid armor that someone else wants and can use is NOT a **** move?

[J1NG]

Yeah, that's what we're talking about... Barbarians and madstone boots!!

Let's say in the new raid a month from now, a +4 STR tome drops for some character... He states "Man, I sure am lucky... I won a roll for a +4 STR tome just last night! And here I got another one... Well, I don't need it, so I guess I'll vendor it..."

Now, his loot, right?? But you don't think he's being a jerk? You don't see anything wrong with that?

There are times where taking raid loot is WRONG... like a warforged looting raid armor, or a dwarf looting a raid docent, or someone looting a tome and vendoring it.

We're not talking about the grey areas (yes, it's easy to bleed over into the grey areas, and we have to be careful not to do that), but can we all admit, at least, that there ARE some actual black-and-white situations??

Are you guys really saying that a warforged taking raid armor that someone else wants and can use is NOT a **** move?

I don't think anyone was questioning it when it reaches the last part of your example there. As in my example a page prior, that's when you know you have someone not nice to have around (clear black and white). But I think for some, it's because we are only working with one half of the information here (OP post only, which is grey) and don't want to apply action that may seem too harsh. ie. Get proof they are gits first. Hearsay is not proof after all.

J1NG

[Thrudh]

IBut I think for some, it's because we are only working with one half of the information here (OP post only, which is grey) and don't want to apply action that may seem too harsh. ie. Get proof they are gits first. Hearsay is not proof after all.

I agree with that.

[Quikster]

I don't think anyone was questioning it when it reaches the last part of your example there. As in my example a page prior, that's when you know you have someone not nice to have around (clear black and white). But I think for some, it's because we are only working with one half of the information here (OP post only, which is grey) and don't want to apply action that may seem too harsh. ie. Get proof they are gits first. Hearsay is not proof after all.

J1NG

While I dont disagre with you, I am much more likely to notice it if happens when Im around now that I know who it is. If I judge him to be new, a little turning the other cheek may be in order. But if I judge him to be an a$$hat, I wont run with him if I can help it.

One of the funny things about this whole thread is one of the vocal peeps about calling me out, has a thread up offering to pm the name of someone who offended him in game. But im the one with the big problem here lol too funny

[Kalari]

Well. . .unfortunately almost ALL of the people who are on the other side of the issue from us--do not have their names in their sigs. . .

Yeah just noticed that but im sure all their forum bravado will one day leak into game and if it happens in a group im in it will be the last time I run with someone like that. They can call me a dictator nazi whatever I believe that a raid is a group effort and that being generous comes around just like being greedy.