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[uhgungawa]

pm and guild pls.

your loot your choice.

my groups my choice

Perfect answer

[Leyoni]

Because there is a tendency to dicuss two separate issues as if they were one and the same. Property rights vs moral choice.

Property rights entitle him to take it. But moraly he should have given it to someone who would have benefited from it, without regard to personal gain.

Taking it out of spite (I won't gain so no one gains) shows deep immaturity and selfishness.

Whose morals? I'd argue that we are amoral at best and immoral at worst but never moral. Our morals are determined by the moment and what seems most beneficial to us at the time.

Is it moral to compel someone to give up something that is theirs?

How does not giving this tome to someone hurt them? Do they lose something they once had? Or, are they unaffected -- exactly the same as they were before the tome was there? If there was no harm than what was immoral about the choice?

Will you argue from benefit -- that someone was not benefitted? Certainly anyone using a tome will benefit. Are you denying the person who pulled the tome their opportunity to benefit because you feel that you are better able to determine need? If not you then who, the group?

When and where do you draw the line. Do those morals apply in this electronic game or do they also apply in real life. If I decided that I had more need than you do for your money, car, home, wife/girlfriend, children, whatever and got 4 or 11 other people to agree -- would that make it moral? Is it different when it is real life and affecting you?

This pandering to some moral principle is just silly. It is a game played by people from all over the world and with all sorts of different backgrounds. And when we know this we have to understand that each person is entitled to what is theirs and nothing more. You can want, you can hope, you can ask. But you have no right -- legal or moral. And neither does the person who has that thing have any obligation -- legal or moral -- to give it up.

[bruha118]

This comes up every so often and the more valuable the loot the more people giving strong opinions.

It is wrong to say that X cannot use something. The wizard can use the CHA tome and it will help him with CHA based skills, just like it would help anyone else.

That said, if he indicates that just rolling off for it isn't what he's after then if you want the loot offer something that he might like to have. Seems to me that it is his and not yours so nothing wrong with him setting his own expectations.

My own view is that if I give up something like a CHR tome it is going to either a sorc, bard or a paladin. I really don't care how much CHA the rogue has. If there isn't one of those in the group then it is probably going to be mine -- I figure I can UMD just like everyone else (the only possible reason to think a rogue could use it IMO). Otherwise I can get a few more plat for the vendor junk I'm selling, etc.

Point is, it isn't up to the community to tell people what is theirs and what isn't. That is what guilds are for. In guilds or static groups there is more cooperation and more teamwork. In PuGs you get what you get.

I've had people give me stuff and I've given away stuff (gave away fire greaves last week because I was never going to use them, took them but someone mentioned he wanted them, didn't cost me anything and it was the neighborly thing to do). But, in the end, it was my choice and not dictated by some unspoken code or pandering to some server behavior.

And, if you are bothered now just wait until next week when the F2P group gets here. IMO if it isn't needed it ought to go to someone who can use it. But whining about it is just as wrong as not passing it on. Neither one shows a whole lot of maturity. After all, it is only a game and by this time next week nobody will care or remember.

no its not a matter of whining its sharing information with other ppl who share the same view as i do

[Leyoni]

no its not a matter of whining its sharing information with other ppl who share the same view as i do

That's what I said, whining. See, you call it sharing. I call it gossip and whining. After all, if it is that god awful important to you then this game has too much of a priority in your life. Get a real one!

But more importantly, you'll have a lot more to whine about in another week. Should send you into complete apoplexy.

[bruha118]

That's what I said, whining. See, you call it sharing. I call it gossip and whining. After all, if it is that god awful important to you then this game has too much of a priority in your life. Get a real one!

But more importantly, you'll have a lot more to whine about in another week. Should send you into complete apoplexy.

and as it appears your on the forums just the same as i am ...so u should consider ur own advise just the same

[Fenrisulven6]

pm and guild pls.

your loot your choice.

my groups my choice

So you're going to blacklist a guy because he wouldn't give away his loot?

[Enochroot]

This whole thing is ridiculous. +3 tomes are often bought, I'd say anywhere between 200k to 600k plat or around the same worth. It's quite possible this guy valued the tome for say, 100k plat on his build, but would be willing to part with it for someone who valued it more.


Personally, as the sorcs/rogues/pallies/whoever, I'd be SO **** THANKFUL this guy offered to let me buy it from him. It is a BOUND item that is hard to get, so the opportunity to just be able to buy it for a handful of plat? I'd be giddy all day!


Now, if the wiz really had NO use in his build for cha, that's kind of ********, but if he had *any* use and none of those other toons offered up anything? Then he should by all means take it, he owes your pug nothing but completion (which happened)

[Fenrisulven6]

Exactly.

And as far as "morality" and "greed" go, if you guys really wanted it that bad, you should have each ponied up an equal share of plat to meet his asking price, and then rolled against each other for it.

[uhgungawa]

So you're going to blacklist a guy because he wouldn't give away his loot?

Just like you can do with your loot as you want, you can also group with who you want.

Now remember that we're taking the OP's word for what happened here. But if he said that the tome was of no use to him and was taking offers, then decided that he wasn't gonna get much, so ate it in spite. Then yes, that would be the type of person I woul not want to group with

[Fenrisulven6]

But thats contradictory.

1) "You can do whatever you want with your loot"

2) "But if I don't approve of what you do with your loot, I'll blacklist you"


You're using peer pressure to make him do what you want with his loot....

[Roman]

But thats contradictory.

1) "You can do whatever you want with your loot"

2) "But if I don't approve of what you do with your loot, I'll blacklist you"


You're using peer pressure to make him do what you want with his loot....

Recognizing that someone has a certain freedom does not require acceptance of whatever they may choose to do with that freedom.

[Riorik]

as far as im concerned he can do anything he wants with his raid loot. he just wont ever do it in my partys. pm with name please.

Unless he provides his own cheese dip?

[soupertc]

Recognizing that someone has a certain freedom does not require acceptance of whatever they may choose to do with that freedom.

Unless he provides his own cheese dip?

I think these go togehter rather well also.

[toughguyjoe]

That's what I said, whining. See, you call it sharing. I call it gossip and whining. After all, if it is that god awful important to you then this game has too much of a priority in your life. Get a real one!

But more importantly, you'll have a lot more to whine about in another week. Should send you into complete apoplexy.

Whining about Whining? Amazing!

"Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[Mr_Ed7]

Player's loot period, there should be no discussion.

[soupertc]

Player's loot period, there should be no discussion.

you will take your reason and logic and go somewhere else.....it does not belong here!!!! BE GONE!!!!

[bruha118]

But thats contradictory.

1) "You can do whatever you want with your loot"

2) "But if I don't approve of what you do with your loot, I'll blacklist you"


You're using peer pressure to make him do what you want with his loot....

there was no peer pressure at all...accually no one said anything concerning his desion...its called DDO Etiquette just the same as there is in any game/sport

[croger1520033]

So that's how it went down, huh? Why am I not surprised. I was in the run in question on my ranger, Blohnde, took care of the puzzle at the end. Was a fun run, not the usual snooze fest. While the few of us that were alive finished off the reaver and then the puzzle as half the party was dead at least, I always like to see who starts looting the chest while we are still trying to deal with the remaining ellies. Of course the wizard in question was one of them. I dont really mind if he asked could he get offers for the tome, but once no one is offering, or rather offering what he wanted (as I recall someone did ask him what he wanted for it out loud), then yeah the right thing would have been to put it up for roll, if no-one else to the 2 sorcs in the group. Ultimately , yes it's their loot to do with as they like, but at the same time not someone I care to group with in the future.

OP, if you dont mind pm'g me the name, I dropped group after getting my loot so I didnt stick around to hear all this nonsense that went down after the first few minutes of it.

Thanks,
Suz

Ok so let's say I have a car that I won in vegas it was a Hummer, but I don't need a Hummer I need a sub compact car with really good gas Mileage. Should I let everyone in the casino roll on it to see which one of the lucky people gets my new car?? And lets say I tell everyone in the casino I want money for it, if no one offers it up should I then say fine no one here ants to pay me money for it so I guess I will just give it away now?? Come on people, you wouldn't act like this in the real world why should the game be any different. He won it, it was his to do with what he wishes. Nothing that anyone on here can say will ever change that fact, and unless you are paying his sub you shouldn't get upset and cry about it.

[bruha118]

Ok so let's say I have a car that I won in vegas it was a Hummer, but I don't need a Hummer I need a sub compact car with really good gas Mileage. Should I let everyone in the casino roll on it to see which one of the lucky people gets my new car?? And lets say I tell everyone in the casino I want money for it, if no one offers it up should I then say fine no one here ants to pay me money for it so I guess I will just give it away now?? Come on people, you wouldn't act like this in the real world why should the game be any different. He won it, it was his to do with what he wishes. Nothing that anyone on here can say will ever change that fact, and unless you are paying his sub you shouldn't get upset and cry about it.

your hummer aint bound

[soupertc]

your hummer aint bound

he probably couldn't get a Hummer....even in Vegas .