Need B4 Greed

[bruha118]

so i had the pleasure of doing a reaver earlier all went well till we popped the chest and lone and behold a +3 chr tome...it dropped for a wiz who stated he didnt need it and was taken offers...there was about 5 other ppl in grp that could have used it (sorcs and rogues)...no one offered him anything but the chance to roll for it...hes says negative and loots the tome...imo if he needed it loot it but he didnt so let ppl roll on it and dont be greedy...this just a friendly reminder that this IS a grinding game so dont be greedy

[Aranticus]

so you are telling him what to do with his raid loot?

[bruha118]

no not at all...but if u cant use it ...why not give someone else who could use it the chance for it

[bandyman1]

Naw, don't worry Aran. No one can tell ANYONE what to do with thier loot. No one can force anyone to do anything with loot that has their name beside it.


OP; Blacklist.

It'll save you time, and give you satisfaction. Because do you really need peeps like that in your raid groups ever again?

[KaKa]

so you are telling him what to do with his raid loot?

He saying the guy made a very poor and greedy choice. He said He did not need it. He wanted to sell it. The other players said no to buying it, but instead a roll should be made. After finding no one would buy it, he looted it out of spite.

Ya he can do what he chooses with his loot, but any player can hate him for his choice. And the hate in this case is well deserved.

[spartin]

as far as im concerned he can do anything he wants with his raid loot. he just wont ever do it in my partys. pm with name please.

[rest]

That sucks. So basically he offered to sell it because he had no use for it but couldn't get what he thought was fair for it and looted it out of spite? That's weak sauce. They won't be running with me ever. I understand it is his loot to do what he wants with, but that's a d!ck move.

[Thrudh]

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[leviathan]

so you are telling him what to do with his raid loot?

I tend to read these posts about people being greedy and/or unscrupulous about their choices when it comes to raid loot.

Forgive me if I am remembering incorrectly, but no matter how bad the behavior in the example it seems you always come to the defense with a "his loot, can't tell him what to do with it" statement.

Why is that?

[BlackRage]

PM name plz

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

So that's how it went down, huh? Why am I not surprised. I was in the run in question on my ranger, Blohnde, took care of the puzzle at the end. Was a fun run, not the usual snooze fest. While the few of us that were alive finished off the reaver and then the puzzle as half the party was dead at least, I always like to see who starts looting the chest while we are still trying to deal with the remaining ellies. Of course the wizard in question was one of them. I dont really mind if he asked could he get offers for the tome, but once no one is offering, or rather offering what he wanted (as I recall someone did ask him what he wanted for it out loud), then yeah the right thing would have been to put it up for roll, if no-one else to the 2 sorcs in the group. Ultimately , yes it's their loot to do with as they like, but at the same time not someone I care to group with in the future.

OP, if you dont mind pm'g me the name, I dropped group after getting my loot so I didnt stick around to hear all this nonsense that went down after the first few minutes of it.

Thanks,
Suz

[noscarrell]

pm name plz,that is one of the many things wrong with this game,there is no honor or love anymore.its all about what "i" can get for my loot and there arent many good people left here.i am honored to say i have many brudders who will never run with this playa ever again or any like him.send name plz.

[Quikster]

pm and guild pls.

your loot your choice.

my groups my choice

[poonce]

PM name pls.

[Healsavant]

Loot seems to be getting better in reaver, I also ran yesterday and pulled a +3 str tome on my intimitank and almost put it up for roll because i thought i had already ate a str, the whole party got excited when i mentioned a roll, but i doublechecked and hadnt, I was kinda bummed I didnt get to make someones day, even though it was nice for me. Shame that someone would do that, but as I learned last night in a raid i was in there are a lot of unscrupulous arse's out there.

[Roman]

I tend to read these posts about people being greedy and/or unscrupulous about their choices when it comes to raid loot.

Forgive me if I am remembering incorrectly, but no matter how bad the behavior in the example it seems you always come to the defense with a "his loot, can't tell him what to do with it" statement.

Why is that?

Because there is a tendency to dicuss two separate issues as if they were one and the same. Property rights vs moral choice.

Property rights entitle him to take it. But moraly he should have given it to someone who would have benefited from it, without regard to personal gain.

Taking it out of spite (I won't gain so no one gains) shows deep immaturity and selfishness.

[FoggyKnight]

PM with name please.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Ibds. aka In before drama starts.

[Xaearth]

There aren't enough people from other servers trolling this thread.

Somebody posts a thread like this on Thelanis and at least two people from each server are on the OP's back about it within the first hour.

[Leyoni]

so i had the pleasure of doing a reaver earlier all went well till we popped the chest and lone and behold a +3 chr tome...it dropped for a wiz who stated he didnt need it and was taken offers...there was about 5 other ppl in grp that could have used it (sorcs and rogues)...no one offered him anything but the chance to roll for it...hes says negative and loots the tome...imo if he needed it loot it but he didnt so let ppl roll on it and dont be greedy...this just a friendly reminder that this IS a grinding game so dont be greedy

This comes up every so often and the more valuable the loot the more people giving strong opinions.

It is wrong to say that X cannot use something. The wizard can use the CHA tome and it will help him with CHA based skills, just like it would help anyone else.

That said, if he indicates that just rolling off for it isn't what he's after then if you want the loot offer something that he might like to have. Seems to me that it is his and not yours so nothing wrong with him setting his own expectations.

My own view is that if I give up something like a CHR tome it is going to either a sorc, bard or a paladin. I really don't care how much CHA the rogue has. If there isn't one of those in the group then it is probably going to be mine -- I figure I can UMD just like everyone else (the only possible reason to think a rogue could use it IMO). Otherwise I can get a few more plat for the vendor junk I'm selling, etc.

Point is, it isn't up to the community to tell people what is theirs and what isn't. That is what guilds are for. In guilds or static groups there is more cooperation and more teamwork. In PuGs you get what you get.

I've had people give me stuff and I've given away stuff (gave away fire greaves last week because I was never going to use them, took them but someone mentioned he wanted them, didn't cost me anything and it was the neighborly thing to do). But, in the end, it was my choice and not dictated by some unspoken code or pandering to some server behavior.

And, if you are bothered now just wait until next week when the F2P group gets here. IMO if it isn't needed it ought to go to someone who can use it. But whining about it is just as wrong as not passing it on. Neither one shows a whole lot of maturity. After all, it is only a game and by this time next week nobody will care or remember.