Need B4 Greed

[bruha118]

so i had the pleasure of doing a reaver earlier all went well till we popped the chest and lone and behold a +3 chr tome...it dropped for a wiz who stated he didnt need it and was taken offers...there was about 5 other ppl in grp that could have used it (sorcs and rogues)...no one offered him anything but the chance to roll for it...hes says negative and loots the tome...imo if he needed it loot it but he didnt so let ppl roll on it and dont be greedy...this just a friendly reminder that this IS a grinding game so dont be greedy

[Aranticus]

so you are telling him what to do with his raid loot?

[bruha118]

no not at all...but if u cant use it ...why not give someone else who could use it the chance for it

[bandyman1]

Naw, don't worry Aran. No one can tell ANYONE what to do with thier loot. No one can force anyone to do anything with loot that has their name beside it.


OP; Blacklist.

It'll save you time, and give you satisfaction. Because do you really need peeps like that in your raid groups ever again?

[KaKa]

so you are telling him what to do with his raid loot?

He saying the guy made a very poor and greedy choice. He said He did not need it. He wanted to sell it. The other players said no to buying it, but instead a roll should be made. After finding no one would buy it, he looted it out of spite.

Ya he can do what he chooses with his loot, but any player can hate him for his choice. And the hate in this case is well deserved.

[spartin]

as far as im concerned he can do anything he wants with his raid loot. he just wont ever do it in my partys. pm with name please.

[Riorik]

as far as im concerned he can do anything he wants with his raid loot. he just wont ever do it in my partys. pm with name please.

Unless he provides his own cheese dip?

[soupertc]

Recognizing that someone has a certain freedom does not require acceptance of whatever they may choose to do with that freedom.

Unless he provides his own cheese dip?

I think these go togehter rather well also.

[leviathan]

I am seeing it again and am baffled by the need for people to read this and defend what is discribed by the author as an obviously greedy and selfish act.

These posts typically describe an action that most people find to be wrong. I say most because the majority of people no matter how or where they are brought up have a similar since of right and wrong, you might call it a

con⋅science  

–noun 1. the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience.
2. the complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.

This game at it's Heart is one of community. This one individual who was working with a team to complete the goal got lucky. That is all. He did not do anything extrordinary to get the +3 charisma tome. He just got lucky, but not so lucky for him because he had very little use for the treasured item. Instead of passing on that good luck to a fellow member of the community who he is not in competetion against. He decides not to garnering a bad reputation with the community.

So yes it's his loot yada yada blah blah

Why do some feel the need to defend and rediculously over intelctualize in defense of this action?

Perhaps I am naive. I know I am not the smartest guy on these forums and I have a problem with spelling without a checker for those of you who wish to point those things out.

[rest]

That sucks. So basically he offered to sell it because he had no use for it but couldn't get what he thought was fair for it and looted it out of spite? That's weak sauce. They won't be running with me ever. I understand it is his loot to do what he wants with, but that's a d!ck move.

[Thrudh]

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20071219

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

So that's how it went down, huh? Why am I not surprised. I was in the run in question on my ranger, Blohnde, took care of the puzzle at the end. Was a fun run, not the usual snooze fest. While the few of us that were alive finished off the reaver and then the puzzle as half the party was dead at least, I always like to see who starts looting the chest while we are still trying to deal with the remaining ellies. Of course the wizard in question was one of them. I dont really mind if he asked could he get offers for the tome, but once no one is offering, or rather offering what he wanted (as I recall someone did ask him what he wanted for it out loud), then yeah the right thing would have been to put it up for roll, if no-one else to the 2 sorcs in the group. Ultimately , yes it's their loot to do with as they like, but at the same time not someone I care to group with in the future.

OP, if you dont mind pm'g me the name, I dropped group after getting my loot so I didnt stick around to hear all this nonsense that went down after the first few minutes of it.

Thanks,
Suz

[Quikster]

pm and guild pls.

your loot your choice.

my groups my choice

[croger1520033]

So that's how it went down, huh? Why am I not surprised. I was in the run in question on my ranger, Blohnde, took care of the puzzle at the end. Was a fun run, not the usual snooze fest. While the few of us that were alive finished off the reaver and then the puzzle as half the party was dead at least, I always like to see who starts looting the chest while we are still trying to deal with the remaining ellies. Of course the wizard in question was one of them. I dont really mind if he asked could he get offers for the tome, but once no one is offering, or rather offering what he wanted (as I recall someone did ask him what he wanted for it out loud), then yeah the right thing would have been to put it up for roll, if no-one else to the 2 sorcs in the group. Ultimately , yes it's their loot to do with as they like, but at the same time not someone I care to group with in the future.

OP, if you dont mind pm'g me the name, I dropped group after getting my loot so I didnt stick around to hear all this nonsense that went down after the first few minutes of it.

Thanks,
Suz

Ok so let's say I have a car that I won in vegas it was a Hummer, but I don't need a Hummer I need a sub compact car with really good gas Mileage. Should I let everyone in the casino roll on it to see which one of the lucky people gets my new car?? And lets say I tell everyone in the casino I want money for it, if no one offers it up should I then say fine no one here ants to pay me money for it so I guess I will just give it away now?? Come on people, you wouldn't act like this in the real world why should the game be any different. He won it, it was his to do with what he wishes. Nothing that anyone on here can say will ever change that fact, and unless you are paying his sub you shouldn't get upset and cry about it.

[leviathan]

so you are telling him what to do with his raid loot?

I tend to read these posts about people being greedy and/or unscrupulous about their choices when it comes to raid loot.

Forgive me if I am remembering incorrectly, but no matter how bad the behavior in the example it seems you always come to the defense with a "his loot, can't tell him what to do with it" statement.

Why is that?

[Roman]

I tend to read these posts about people being greedy and/or unscrupulous about their choices when it comes to raid loot.

Forgive me if I am remembering incorrectly, but no matter how bad the behavior in the example it seems you always come to the defense with a "his loot, can't tell him what to do with it" statement.

Why is that?

Because there is a tendency to dicuss two separate issues as if they were one and the same. Property rights vs moral choice.

Property rights entitle him to take it. But moraly he should have given it to someone who would have benefited from it, without regard to personal gain.

Taking it out of spite (I won't gain so no one gains) shows deep immaturity and selfishness.

[FoggyKnight]

PM with name please.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Ibds. aka In before drama starts.

[Leyoni]

Because there is a tendency to dicuss two separate issues as if they were one and the same. Property rights vs moral choice.

Property rights entitle him to take it. But moraly he should have given it to someone who would have benefited from it, without regard to personal gain.

Taking it out of spite (I won't gain so no one gains) shows deep immaturity and selfishness.

Whose morals? I'd argue that we are amoral at best and immoral at worst but never moral. Our morals are determined by the moment and what seems most beneficial to us at the time.

Is it moral to compel someone to give up something that is theirs?

How does not giving this tome to someone hurt them? Do they lose something they once had? Or, are they unaffected -- exactly the same as they were before the tome was there? If there was no harm than what was immoral about the choice?

Will you argue from benefit -- that someone was not benefitted? Certainly anyone using a tome will benefit. Are you denying the person who pulled the tome their opportunity to benefit because you feel that you are better able to determine need? If not you then who, the group?

When and where do you draw the line. Do those morals apply in this electronic game or do they also apply in real life. If I decided that I had more need than you do for your money, car, home, wife/girlfriend, children, whatever and got 4 or 11 other people to agree -- would that make it moral? Is it different when it is real life and affecting you?

This pandering to some moral principle is just silly. It is a game played by people from all over the world and with all sorts of different backgrounds. And when we know this we have to understand that each person is entitled to what is theirs and nothing more. You can want, you can hope, you can ask. But you have no right -- legal or moral. And neither does the person who has that thing have any obligation -- legal or moral -- to give it up.

[Uska]

I tend to read these posts about people being greedy and/or unscrupulous about their choices when it comes to raid loot.

Forgive me if I am remembering incorrectly, but no matter how bad the behavior in the example it seems you always come to the defense with a "his loot, can't tell him what to do with it" statement.

Why is that?

Because it is that guys loot, now while I wouldnt stop grouping from such a person I would try to find out I could who his alts are and spread the word not to let him roll on any loot.