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    Quote Originally Posted by flash145 View Post
    Personaly Sowan, I think this was a waste of digital space. Unless the cleric (or clerics) asks for funds to cover cost of keeping tank and/or dogs alive, its none of your freaking business how the cleric heals. The only caveat would be the cleric keeing the tank and then the dogs up to comlete the mission.

    Kinda chafes my hide when a person thinks they know all and believes they should tell others how to do it. You may have solo healed Hound/VoD/Shroud and any other raid but, thats you. None of that gives you the right to tell others how to perform their class.

    If you think the player could use some advise, ASK them first if they would like some feedback on thier style.

    Now, if they complete the quest by blowing tons of resources then ask for donations, then be my guest to explain to said player why they don't deserve reimbursement.

    All of his advice was sound, and none of it said you HAD to do it that way.


    They're just suggestions, take 'em or leave 'em. He thinks these suggestions will help clerics in Hound, do you disagree? Or are you just being a d-bag? Because if you don't disagree that they're good ideas, then you're an extra d-bag.


    I *especially* like how you say it's none of his business, unless the cleric doesn't keep up the MT or dogs ... when the OP STARTED the post talking about seeing a number of failed raids. Read the post you're responding to, for the love of god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash145 View Post
    Personaly Sowan, I think this was a waste of digital space. Unless the cleric (or clerics) asks for funds to cover cost of keeping tank and/or dogs alive, its none of your freaking business how the cleric heals. The only caveat would be the cleric keeing the tank and then the dogs up to comlete the mission.

    Kinda chafes my hide when a person thinks they know all and believes they should tell others how to do it. You may have solo healed Hound/VoD/Shroud and any other raid but, thats you. None of that gives you the right to tell others how to perform their class.

    If you think the player could use some advise, ASK them first if they would like some feedback on thier style.

    Now, if they complete the quest by blowing tons of resources then ask for donations, then be my guest to explain to said player why they don't deserve reimbursement.
    You think that i am saying this towards you or calling out other clerics gimp because that dont do it "this way." Well i was just making sugestions to make other clerics' runs easier and less on the resources. Is this what i expect every single cleric from now on to do? No, i was just making sugestions. Like a poster said before me, if you don't agree with it, then don't do it and forget about it. Everyone is talking about all these new players comming, well, it would be nice for them to have things like this to help them understand how everything works.

    Posting sugestions that might help ppl is doing nothing wrong and you have no reason to flame me like that. If you think that me sharing some ideas is totally unnessasary and wasteful, then you have problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweyn View Post
    You think that i am saying this towards you or calling out other clerics gimp because that dont do it "this way." Well i was just making sugestions to make other clerics' runs easier and less on the resources. Is this what i expect every single cleric from now on to do? No, i was just making sugestions. Like a poster said before me, if you don't agree with it, then don't do it and forget about it. Everyone is talking about all these new players comming, well, it would be nice for them to have things like this to help them understand how everything works.

    Posting sugestions that might help ppl is doing nothing wrong and you have no reason to flame me like that. If you think that me sharing some ideas is totally unnessasary and wasteful, then you have problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfidelofHaLL View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurytos View Post
    This thread is totally unnecessary.

    If a cleric cannot heal dogs, the only solution is to delete said cleric and play another class.

    Haaaha. Good one agreed.
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    Sowan you're alright man.. Nothing wrong with it at all...
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    Thumbs up Good Man Sowen..

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweyn View Post
    You think that i am saying this towards you or calling out other clerics gimp because that dont do it "this way." Well i was just making sugestions to make other clerics' runs easier and less on the resources. Is this what i expect every single cleric from now on to do? No, i was just making sugestions. Like a poster said before me, if you don't agree with it, then don't do it and forget about it. Everyone is talking about all these new players comming, well, it would be nice for them to have things like this to help them understand how everything works.

    Posting sugestions that might help ppl is doing nothing wrong and you have no reason to flame me like that. If you think that me sharing some ideas is totally unnessasary and wasteful, then you have problems.
    Very well said man...

    Only person who may have a problem with it, is that guy from Korea with the unhappy face.. Get that guy a transfer to Helmand province in Afghanistan..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enochroot View Post
    All of his advice was sound, and none of it said you HAD to do it that way.


    They're just suggestions, take 'em or leave 'em. He thinks these suggestions will help clerics in Hound, do you disagree? Or are you just being a d-bag? Because if you don't disagree that they're good ideas, then you're an extra d-bag.


    I *especially* like how you say it's none of his business, unless the cleric doesn't keep up the MT or dogs ... when the OP STARTED the post talking about seeing a number of failed raids. Read the post you're responding to, for the love of god.

    HEY D-BAG read the title of the post. Doesn't say anything about suggetions. A Title is the opening statement for any article. And, it doesnt say advice. IT CLEARLY indiciates how one should "CLERIC THE HOUND". SO YES, I was responding to the post as its stated. Maybe you should get those glasses checked or just get out of the bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurytos View Post
    How to Cleric Hound: Don't bring a cleric.



    No kidding.

    We did elite first and got it to 40% til I screwed up. Beholder had dispelled me earlier in the raid and I forgot to re-apply GH. I got feared and a dog went down seconds before she went vulnerable.

    Re-entered on Hard, sleepy easy mode. Bummer, I wanted to finish what we started on elite.



    Cleric shield with no clerics! Grats to Galakilz on Paladin shield!



    Also got Tumbleweed, Ring of Thelis and Levikk's Defender.

    Bragging about not having a cleric when you have 2 bards, and a whole slew of palis/rangers and UMD capable toons.... Show me a screenie of 12 Barbs doing it.. Now THAT would be impressive

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    It's been postulated that the level of dogs health may be related to how common it is for them to break free of the enchantment. Cant be certain for sure but I know there have been times it seemed like lack of healing on the dogs occurred just before one or more of them broke free and then all hell breaks loose.

    When I cleric I dont take any chances because everyone will be looking in my direction if we fail :P

    I usually use scrolls for the tank and leave about 3/4 sp left for the dogs. By the times the dogs are charmed anyways everyone should be in the center and you can just buff quickly and spam mass heals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoGenius View Post
    It's been postulated that the level of dogs health may be related to how common it is for them to break free of the enchantment. Cant be certain for sure but I know there have been times it seemed like lack of healing on the dogs occurred just before one or more of them broke free and then all hell breaks loose.

    When I cleric I dont take any chances because everyone will be looking in my direction if we fail :P

    I usually use scrolls for the tank and leave about 3/4 sp left for the dogs. By the times the dogs are charmed anyways everyone should be in the center and you can just buff quickly and spam mass heals.

    Doggie charm is purely time based....

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    Seriously? This needs to be explained?

    Sad...very sad indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweyn View Post
    You think that i am saying this towards you or calling out other clerics gimp because that dont do it "this way." Well i was just making sugestions to make other clerics' runs easier and less on the resources. Is this what i expect every single cleric from now on to do? No, i was just making sugestions. Like a poster said before me, if you don't agree with it, then don't do it and forget about it. Everyone is talking about all these new players comming, well, it would be nice for them to have things like this to help them understand how everything works.

    Posting sugestions that might help ppl is doing nothing wrong and you have no reason to flame me like that. If you think that me sharing some ideas is totally unnessasary and wasteful, then you have problems.
    Sowan, I do apologize for this appearing as a flame. But to me, this is your personal view on how to heal during a Hound Raid. This isnt a tutorial for clerics on running Hound. This doesnt explain how the Raid works. This explains how you feel the clerics should use their resources during the raid.

    Are you ideas good, HECK YEA. And, any expierenced cleric probably follows this already.

    Now if you wanted to make a tutorial to help
    Quote Originally Posted by Sweyn View Post
    all these new players comming, well, it would be nice for them to have things like this to help them understand how everything works
    (who reach lvl 14 and do hound w/o learning to conserve resources?) then, create a tutorial explaining the mechanic of the raid, i.e:

    1) Entrance at start in a group and if anyone moves Hound is activated
    2) Current Strategy is 1 tank runs into middle fully buffed to aggro the Hound with 1 or 2 clerics following to heal him. At this point Hound can not be dmged by players
    3) ect ect ect

    Thats explaining the mechanics of a raid to new players. And if you tossed in healing tips along w/ it, it becomes a glowing tutorial that will probably get posted and stickied and you name will become synonymous w/ the perfect Hound run. (BTW this isnt sarcasm, being totally serious).

    So step back a second. Cover up the advise you posted and JUST look at the title and remember that most people will see that first and form an impression from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smatt View Post
    Bragging about not having a cleric when you have 2 bards, and a whole slew of palis/rangers and UMD capable toons.... Show me a screenie of 12 Barbs doing it.. Now THAT would be impressive
    Bah! No one healed the dogs cept the bards!... and healing the dogs was still stupid easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash145 View Post
    Sowan, I do apologize for this appearing as a flame. But to me, this is your personal view on how to heal during a Hound Raid. This isnt a tutorial for clerics on running Hound. This doesnt explain how the Raid works. This explains how you feel the clerics should use their resources during the raid.

    Are you ideas good, HECK YEA. And, any expierenced cleric probably follows this already.

    Now if you wanted to make a tutorial to help (who reach lvl 14 and do hound w/o learning to conserve resources?) then, create a tutorial explaining the mechanic of the raid, i.e:

    1) Entrance at start in a group and if anyone moves Hound is activated
    2) Current Strategy is 1 tank runs into middle fully buffed to aggro the Hound with 1 or 2 clerics following to heal him. At this point Hound can not be dmged by players
    3) ect ect ect

    Thats explaining the mechanics of a raid to new players. And if you tossed in healing tips along w/ it, it becomes a glowing tutorial that will probably get posted and stickied and you name will become synonymous w/ the perfect Hound run. (BTW this isnt sarcasm, being totally serious).

    So step back a second. Cover up the advise you posted and JUST look at the title and remember that most people will see that first and form an impression from there.
    You are absolutly right. The thread title is a little misleading. Also the tone in the OP. When i wrote it i was irritated after a failure. Before that we had another failure. I saw clerics out of mana, blowing through scrolls, and going through so much extra work. After grinding it out, i got tired of seeing the same things happen. I just wanted to let ppl know how easy it can be. I could have worded my OP a little more friendy.

    And to all the ppl who are saying "this isnt needed, your making it sound hard.." your right, i'm right there with you, it ISN'T hard. But i see time after time ppl making it hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash145 View Post
    HEY D-BAG read the title of the post. Doesn't say anything about suggetions. A Title is the opening statement for any article. And, it doesnt say advice. IT CLEARLY indiciates how one should "CLERIC THE HOUND". SO YES, I was responding to the post as its stated. Maybe you should get those glasses checked or just get out of the bottle.

    A "how-to" do something doesn't ever mean it HAS to be done that way. It's just a way to get something accomplished. And so far, you haven't given me any reason to believe the initial advice was unsound, because it wasn't.


    You think when people write "how-to's" on-line now they should write "how-you-can's" instead? To protect your little sensitive feelings?


    How-to's are written as guides for people that don't know. Authors of how-to's assume that if you already know how-to do something, you generally won't be reading the how-to, or at least know that it doesn't apply to you.


    Here, write people like this a letter: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/?catid=desktop - that you don't HAVE to DO it THEIR way, those pretentious SOB's!!!! Want me to find more HOW-TO's from JERKS posting HELP online? What aholes!!!! Offering free advice to people that don't know how to do something!


    WHAT NERVE!!! ARGH! HOW-TO AUTHORS ANGER ME!!!


    Seriously, come on.
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