18/2 Favored Soul/Rogue Build

[Juggle]

Exactly, IMO.
FvS is the divine answer to the arcane Sorceror. You'll have the extra SP so that you can "bring it" and be an excellent nuker.

Anyone FvS or Cleric with the enhancements and a devotion/potency item can heal effectively. It's not that hard.
But you may as well make use of all that SP and be able to lay down plenty of blade barriers, fire storms, etc. as well.
In theory, you should be able to use the lvl 17 ability to effectively "jump-cast" as the arcanes do - not sure if anyone has tested this yet, though.

Either that or go more melee spec and be able to fight as well as heal. Divine Power will help out here.

Well understand that the conecept behind this build is soley cleric'ing, and having twice the mana pool as a cleric.

[Juggle]

Very durable healer. But not versatile. You can heal good 24/7, but thats it. No spells with DC (low Wisdom), can't fight good (low Str, weak weapon, not using racial weapon), cant do traps/locks.

Yep yep and yep. Just healing, no fighting =)

Durable yes, versatile no. I'd go FvS18/Monk2 for even more durability. At one point, Heal spell heals WF for more then Reconstruct scroll anyway. Most WFs even have a rank or two in Healer friend, so they are not that hard to heal. Plus from time to time a Wizard/Sorc or Bard also helps. And with your maxed Cha, you can have UMD 39 even without max ranks in UMD.

I don't see how my UMD would end up a 39 without any pts into it lol...

[Impaqt]

Yep yep and yep. Just healing, no fighting =)


I don't see how my UMD would end up a 39 without any pts into it lol...

He said Without "Max Ranks"

Cross Class UMD

11 Ranks
11 CHR Bonus
5 Titan Gloves
6 Shroud CHR Item
4 GH
2 Luck
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39 UMD

[Aerendil]

Well understand that the conecept behind this build is soley cleric'ing, and having twice the mana pool as a cleric.

Yeah, I understand that perfectly.
And I could make that same character with a cleric yet still be able to destruct, blade barrier, fire storm, etc., and can purchase mana pots from the store and/or shrines for replenishing.

So, your point is?

[Aerendil]

Well understand that the conecept behind this build is soley healing, and having twice the mana pool as a cleric.

Fixed that for you, by the way. There's more to "cleric'ing" than being someone's heal bot.

[Impaqt]

Well understand that the conecept behind this build is soley cleric'ing, and having twice the mana pool as a cleric.

You also wont have anywhere near "Twice" the mana pool of a cleric. Most of my Clerics will easily hit 2k+ Spellpoints at level 20. THis build will struggle to reach 3k

40-50% more spellpoints can indeed be handy still. but lets be realistic.

[RavenStormclaw]

Personally while I understand some of your reasoning for the two rogue or 2 monk stay away from it. As with sorcerer multiclassig a FvS is costly. One less level 9 spell, and you miss out on the capstone which gives +2 charisma which is always usefull.

Besides you can achieve all your goals and still stay pure. Who needs evasion when you can give yourself every resist and protection there is and heal yourself and with quicken do it nearly instantly.

IMHO unless your are going the meelee route I would never multiclass a Favored soul.

[Aerendil]

IMHO unless your are going the melee route I would never multiclass a Favored soul.

It all depends on what your goals are, really.
Keep in mind the capstone +CHA only boosts your SP pool. It doesn't improve your spell DC or anything like that. Although you do get a free 0 SP spell to cast, but aside from Searing Light, the others are kinda "meh".

So that narrows things down to your spells of choice. If you opt to go with the "no SR" spells such as BB, cometfall, fire storm, etc., then you only need a high DC, in which case splashing a level or 2 will not hurt you. It might even improve things.

If you want to be able to destruct orthons and the like, however, then staying pure is important for the caster levels (as is picking up some Spell Penetration feats).

*edit* - the other major consideration, I guess, is to weigh the level 20 ability (DR 10/varies based on deity) vs. a 2 level splash (monk = 2 free feats + wis to AC + evasion; paladin = free martial weapons and heavy armour, cha bonus to saves). Again, personal preference here and what one's goals are. If I were building a melee FvS, though, I would definitely splash either monk or paladin.

[Juggle]

Yeah, I understand that perfectly.
And I could make that same character with a cleric yet still be able to destruct, blade barrier, fire storm, etc., and can purchase mana pots from the store and/or shrines for replenishing.

So, your point is?

2500 sp and Leap of faith vs 1700 sp...

[Aerendil]

2500 sp and Leap of faith vs 1700 sp and much better spell DCs, being able to insta-kill enemies and heal just as well as your build

Fixed.
And, really, what is Leap going to do for you with this build?

[Juggle]

Fixed.
And, really, what is Leap going to do for you with this build?

Get somewhere to heal someone quick, and it's fun.

And for the fourth time, I'm just an uber healbot, not meleeing and not worried to much about spell dc, and if so, I can drop pts from dex and put it into wisdom, no big deal.

[BlackRage]

Obviously you're someone who doesn't like me that much, I don't mind the constructive criticism, but keep the blatant insults out of my thread please. Please point out things that could be improved and keep the flaming out kthxbye

Whether I like you or not is irrelevant; the build not surprisingly sucks ass. I have pointed that out to you. If after I pointed out what is bad with the ‘concept’ you do not understand WHY it sucks so bad, there is nothing I can do to help you.

A well built, well equipped, and well played level 20 pure-class monk is an exceptionally powerful character. Weakness at any of the three seriously cripples them however, which is why they're considered (at least by us) an advanced class.

It can be extrapolated from this quote that there are 3 aspects to a good character, and that for non-Monks missing at least two will probably cripple them.

This build, no matter how well equipped, will be missing two of the other components.

[Impaqt]

2500 sp and Leap of faith vs 1700 sp...

3 of myclerics have over 1700 sp now. 4 more levels I'll be in the 2100+ range easy. One of em hits 1857 now

[Juggle]

Whether I like you or not is irrelevant; the build not surprisingly sucks ass. I have pointed that out to you. If after I pointed out what is bad with the ‘concept’ you do not understand WHY it sucks so bad, there is nothing I can do to help you.

It can be extrapolated from this quote that there are 3 aspects to a good character, and that for non-Monks missing at least two will probably cripple them.

This build, no matter how well equipped, will be missing two of the other components.

Lol, what is so bad about a healing FvS with tons of sp and evasion, not seeing why it "sucks a**", and neither do you, which is why you keep quiet. You sit behind your computer desk dishing out insults due to jealousy and put yourself on a pedastal, so for that, I'm not worried about it

[Juggle]

3 of myclerics have over 1700 sp now. 4 more levels I'll be in the 2100+ range easy. One of em hits 1857 now

1857...is that counting litany from abbot and spell storing ring?

[Impaqt]

1857...is that counting litany from abbot and spell storing ring?

No. Thats his base right now. but he does carry a SS Ring as well, so if you want to count that separate its 1932.

[BlackRage]

Lol, what is so bad about a healing FvS with tons of sp and evasion, not seeing why it "sucks a**", and neither do you, which is why you keep quiet. You sit behind your computer desk dishing out insults due to jealousy and put yourself on a pedastal, so for that, I'm not worried about it

You are projecting again – seems like you have done that a lot in this thread… I guess that must be your defensive reaction

If what you state in the OP is legit, then you epically fail at build characters. Nothing is wrong with the Evasion FvS concept, but your ‘implementation’ is terrible. Read your first line, then take your ****** off and give your head a shake before reading through your ‘character’. Pay special attention this time to the problems I already identified – even though I REALLY hate repeating myself, here they are again:

Bad feats, poor stats, terrible enhancements and lousy race.

[nbhs275]

You are projecting again – seems like you have done that a lot in this thread… I guess that must be your defensive reaction

If what you state in the OP is legit, then you epically fail at build characters. Nothing is wrong with the Evasion FvS concept, but your ‘implementation’ is terrible. Read your first line, then take your ****** off and give your head a shake before reading through your ‘character’. Pay special attention this time to the problems I already identified – even though I REALLY hate repeating myself, here they are again:

I like this guy lmao... So yea, lets look at this. Your going favored soul for a healer.... and your big "selling point" is the vast amount of extra SP. Ok, thats a reasonable arguement until you tie in 2 levels of rogue. You give up the 2 levels that are going to boost your SP by the largest margin for what? A UMD score that any high Cha toon can hit with CC ranks? Evasion which is minor to useless on a healing character?

NOW, if you said this was going to be a DPS melee character, and you where going to take advantage of the weapon feats and be in the melee fray, it would start to have some logic.

But currently yea, this isnt making much sense at all. If your going to play FvS you need to decide your role, and stick with it, as they arent as flexible as the cleric is.

[zwolfman]

Good to see some things never change: you still cannot design a decent character...

Frankly your last good character was rolled up by someone else...

In fact, the concept is SO bad one is forced to question your understanding of game mechanics, because there is no other way anyone would make some of these mistakes. If you roll him he will surpass Beest as your gimpiest toon. Now if that is your goal, then you have indeed achieved it...

Holy Cow!! Harsh! man, I certainly hope that this guy, 'BlacRage' is not representative of the community at large! I'm fairly new to the community, I came online to check out some of the 'build threads' This was one of the first threads I Saw, and what do I see?

I see one guy going out on a limb and posting for help and advise on his ideas for a build, (much like I might have wanted to do,) and then I see this guy basically mocking, the OP's idea! I mean, sheesh man! why get so personal with how bad you think the build is? Why not just list your suggestions for fixes and be done with it? or if you really hate the guy, (which it looks like you do,) just move on n don't post.

anyway, here's me a REAL noob that actually DOESN'T understand the game mechanics who may indeed make a build that is woefully inadequate who could definitely use community help, but seeing this kind of post from the community, is skeptical about even asking for help.

if your mission was to keep people from asking for help BlackRage, mission accomplished sir.

zWolf -out.

[Kriogen]

Holy Cow!! Harsh! man, I certainly hope that this guy, 'BlacRage' is not representative of the community at large! I'm fairly new to the community, I came online to check out some of the 'build threads' This was one of the first threads I Saw, and what do I see?
....

First rule in MMOs: don't feed the trolls.

Some DDO players are nice.