Cannith Endgame UNTWINKED 28 Pt (or Drow) Character Builds!

[Aerendil]

Building off this idea, if I wanted evasion which would be better suited?
Paladin 18/
2 Monk=2 extra feats + Wis bonus to AC
2 Rogue=d6 Backstab & max ranks in UMD, maybe Lock Pick (prob not enough Skill Points for Actual Rogue skills)
Hmm... I know I'm missing something...
With only 28pts, whats most important?
Wheres all the related build information?

Tough call, Wolf. I guess it really depends on whether you see yourself wearing armour or not.

Personally, I'd aim for the /2 Rogue splash. With a nice CHA score you can keep UMD in good shape so that you can eventually use stoneskin wands, shield wands, resist wands, and so on. Plus you get Evasion (which doesn't require an uber Dex, because your Cha-bonus-to-saves will offset that).

Monk is nice, especially for the +wis bonus to AC, but that's one too many stats to try to max out IMO.
Paladins will want a good Str, Con, and Cha, with above-average Dex as well. Having a good Wis too? Ouch.
But it could work, I guess. It's just easier to do if you have a 32pt build to start with!

*edit* - ps, if you go /rogue, forget trapsmithing. You won't have the points.

[krud]

I did notice that, but I was unsure how to work it in. I would have to reclaim a lot of stat points in the build that just aren't there, in order to get the 17 dex necessary. Even going to 16, and then using a +1 tome, would mean that I would have to find 5 more stat points. With my wisdom already in the tank, I was unsure where to get them. The only way I can think of is to go finesse and drop my strength and wisdom to 10, but that also means I lose power attack.

try it with drow. you can get 16 16 12 10 8 16. just need a +1 dex tome for gtwf, and +6 wisdom item to cast all your spells, both of which will be obtainable by the time you are level 12 or above.

Here's a quick workup. Level ups into strength, take the drow rapier enhancements for attack and damage.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(14 Paladin \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 250
Spell Points: 132 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 16
Will: 9
               Starting          Feat/Enhancement
              Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            16                    16
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             16                    16
 
Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Level 2 (Ranger)
Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Level 4 (Ranger)
Level 5 (Ranger)
Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Level 7 (Paladin)
Level 8 (Paladin)
Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Level 10 (Paladin)
Level 11 (Paladin)
Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) GTWF (when you get +1 dex tome)
Level 13 (Paladin)
Level 14 (Paladin)
Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Level 16 (Paladin)
Level 17 (Paladin)
Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 19 (Paladin)
Level 20 (Paladin)

[Kriogen]

Race: Drow
Class: FvS18/Monk2

Starting stats:
Strength 14
Dexterity 16
Constitution 12
Intelligence 10
Wisdom 16 ... levelup points here
Charisma 10
All levelup points into Wisdom.

Full TWF features. Use Shortswords for melee. Yes, not the best weapon, but will do the trick. Good thing is no need of Oversized. Good synergy with Drow + FvS diety.

Magical features: Extend, Empower, Maximize. Long lasting buffs, high damage and heals.

Skills: Conc, UMD

Can unlock with TPs, can fight trash mobs or add support with debuff/stat weapons vs big monsters, has solid spell DC, can buff and heal good, solid defence (AC and saves), Evasion for near immune vs elemental magic.

Will work good for solo and in groups. Maybe not the best specialist, but also not useless gimp. A solid hybrid.

[Kindoki]

try it with drow. you can get 16 16 12 10 8 16. just need a +1 dex tome for gtwf, and +6 wisdom item to cast all your spells, both of which will be obtainable by the time you are level 12 or above.

Here's a quick workup. Level ups into strength, take the drow rapier enhancements for attack and damage.

Thanks Krud - question though - are Drow available right away if you have the points? You don't need to favor grind? If so, that would be a definite improvement.

[krud]

didn't the op say untwinked? How good are all these monk splashes without their IC raiments, chattering, gobs of shroud gear, and other grind-your-eyes-out loot?

[krud]

Thanks Krud - question though - are Drow available right away if you have the points? You don't need to favor grind? If so, that would be a definite improvement.

You can buy them for points, or do the 400 favor "grind" (if 400 can be considered a grind). For a brand new player even 400 can seem like a lot, but it really does come quickly if you want to save your points. Drow is a great improvement for starters. It's comparable, or even better in some cases, than a 32pt build.

[Kindoki]

didn't the op say untwinked? How good are all these monk splashes without their IC raiments, chattering, gobs of shroud gear, and other grind-your-eyes-out loot?

Actually, still pretty good. I have a monk splash that I built the first couple of weeks they were out, and he is still "untwinked", with no icy raiments, no raid loot to speak of, certainly no shroud items, and he stays generally out of harms way (including melee in shroud) while contributing. He's just not the uber build that monk splashes become when fully outfitted.

You can buy them for points, or do the 400 favor "grind" (if 400 can be considered a grind). For a brand new player even 400 can seem like a lot, but it really does come quickly if you want to save your points. Drow is a great improvement for starters. It's comparable, or even better in some cases, than a 32pt build.

In that case, it'll be worth it to change to drow. I'll modify the original post this afternoon.

[Kriogen]

didn't the op say untwinked? How good are all these monk splashes without their IC raiments, chattering, gobs of shroud gear, and other grind-your-eyes-out loot?

Only +2 tomes before lvl 2 is not possible. Everything else is just time or luck.

It's not that on old server you can start with green toys and raid loot. It also takes time, grind.

[Draclaud]

Mele-Drow TWF Paladin
Rogue-Drow TWF Rapier
Mage-WF Wizard
Cleric-Dwarf
Mele-THF WF Barb Max STR/CON

Did I miss anything?

[Leyoni]

I wondered how long it would take for this thread to get started.

Problem I see is that DDO really is a group game. At some point players are going to have to lay off the WF sorcerer builds.

OTOH, complete parties of WF sorcerers could complete everything needed to unlock 32 point builds w/o needing to get much past L10 themselves.

Personally, I anticipate a lot of WF and Drow for week 1.

[Thrudh]

Everyone is saying go full TWF, but starting with a 17 DEX is painful on a 28 point build... Starting with 16, of course is possible, but that means no ITWF until you get a +1 dex tome... Those will be high demand...

It'll definitely screw up our normal ITWF at 6, Improved Critical at 9, and GTWF at 12 progression.

Oh wait, can one buy +1 tomes in the DDO store??

That would make it a lot easier...

Oh, and I vote for Drow Paladin, WF Sorc/Wizard, and any race pure cleric as best builds to start with...

[Aerendil]

Race: Drow
Class: FvS18/Monk2

Starting stats:
Strength 14
Dexterity 16
Constitution 12
Intelligence 10
Wisdom 16 ... levelup points here
Charisma 10
All levelup points into Wisdom.

Full TWF features. Use Shortswords for melee. Yes, not the best weapon, but will do the trick. Good thing is no need of Oversized. Good synergy with Drow + FvS diety.

Magical features: Extend, Empower, Maximize. Long lasting buffs, high damage and heals.

Skills: Conc, UMD

Can unlock with TPs, can fight trash mobs or add support with debuff/stat weapons vs big monsters, has solid spell DC, can buff and heal good, solid defence (AC and saves), Evasion for near immune vs elemental magic.

Will work good for solo and in groups. Maybe not the best specialist, but also not useless gimp. A solid hybrid.

I like it
Monk 2 will also offer you some free melee feats - so you could pick up Power Attack and Toughness, for example. And then your regular feats could still allow you to pick up TWF/ITWF/GTWF and 4 metamagic feats (extend, empower, heighten, maximize).
Could also tweak this to start off with a slightly lower Dex and Str (+1 or 2 tomes will give you your prereq stats for power attack and TWF tree), and up starting to Wis to 17 instead. Apples vs. oranges, though.

Dex endgame = 16 base +2 elf + 6 item + 2 tome + 2 exceptional = 28
Wis endgame = 16 base + 5 lvl + 6 item + 2 class + 3 exceptional = 32. With +2 tome = 34.
(not counting +wis stance as you might be using twin shortswords).

Which means AC would be 10 (base) + 12 (wis) + 9 (dex) + 8 (bracers) + 3 (chattering) + 5 (deflection) + 4 (icy) + 1 (alchemical) + 1 (monk bonus) + 4 (insight) = 58.
Self buffs add +4 (shield clicky) + 3 (barkskin pot) + 1 (haste pot) +2 (recitation)= 68. Raid buffed +2 (full barkskin) + 5 (paladin aura) + 4 (bard AC) = 79.

79 AC with reasonable DC nukes, melee ability (recitation, divine power, FvS shortsword bonuses), and self-Heal ability. Sick.

PS - if you had a +3 Int tome, you could substitute CE as one of your monk feats for a further +5 AC. not that you need it

[vainangel]

Pally/Ranger
I am playing a similar build as a dwarf. It is way fun to play and with duel Dwarf Ax's with Dwarf enhancements!!!!

So many options...

[krud]

Everyone is saying go full TWF, but starting with a 17 DEX is painful on a 28 point build... Starting with 16, of course is possible, but that means no ITWF until you get a +1 dex tome... Those will be high demand...

It'll definitely screw up our normal ITWF at 6, Improved Critical at 9, and GTWF at 12 progression.

Oh wait, can one buy +1 tomes in the DDO store??

That would make it a lot easier...

Oh, and I vote for Drow Paladin, WF Sorc/Wizard, and any race pure cleric as best builds to start with...

That's why drow 6rgr/14pal with 16dex. It's a minimal twinkage build. ITWF for free, GTWF with the +1dex tome.

I'm right with you on the full TWF thing. There's no avoiding it at end game. s&b just doesn't cut it for dps (pun intended). Believe me I tried.

[Aspenor]

Human FvS 20

STR - 14
DEX - 10
CON - 12
INT - 10
WIS - 16
CHA - 12

Feats
Two-Handed Fighting
Power Attack
Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Improved Two Handed Fighting
Improved Critical: Slashing
Greater Two Handed Fighting
Toughness

If there's space somewhere take Weapon Spec: Greatsword

Level ups in wisdom

PS: oops...missed the "endgame" comment in the title...this build is for leveling up easily and without much twinking and getting TO the end-game.

[Visty]

Human FvS 20

STR - 14
DEX - 10
CON - 12
INT - 10
WIS - 16
CHA - 12

Feats
Two-Handed Fighting
Power Attack
Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Improved Two Handed Fighting
Improved Critical: Slashing
Greater Two Handed Fighting
Toughness

If there's space somewhere take Weapon Spec: Greatsword

Level ups in wisdom

weapon spec is a fighter only feat

[Aspenor]

weapon spec is a fighter only feat

FvS are supposed to get weapon specs as well, IIRC. It's a class feature/option. I may or may not be mistaken, I'll have to check my Complete Divine again.

[Visty]

FvS are supposed to get weapon specs as well, IIRC. It's a class feature/option. I may or may not be mistaken, I'll have to check my Complete Divine again.

its a classfeat, yes
which you get automatic based on your duty
so only wfs can get spec: GS

[Aspenor]

its a classfeat, yes
which you get automatic based on your duty
so only wfs can get spec: GS

That's stupid. Then again, DDO was never much of a game for options. Granted your deity gives you WS in their weapon, but at least you can choose a deity in PnP.

[RavenStormclaw]

Pure Human Favored Soul Nuker

Str 12
Con 13
Dex 10
Intel 8
Wis 17
Chr 12

Feats
Extend
Empower healing
Tougness
Maximize
Spell Pen and Greater Spell pen
Spell focus necromancy