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  1. 08-22-2009, 02:52 PM #1
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    Default 28 Point Bare Bones WF batman...

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Level 20 Chaotic Good Warforged Male
(13 Barbarian \ 6 Rogue \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 310
Spell Points: 170 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 8
Will: 9

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Stats         Base Stats        
Abilities        (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             18                 23            
Dexterity             8                  8            
Constitution         10                 10            
Intelligence         14                 14            
Wisdom               12                 12            
Charisma              6                  6            

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance               3                 20            
Bluff                -2                 -2            
Concentration         0                  4            
Diplomacy            -2                 -2            
Disable Device        6                 25            
Haggle               -2                 -2            
Heal                  1                  1            
Hide                  3                  5            
Intimidate           -2                 21            
Jump                  4                 14            
Listen                5                  5            
Move Silently         3                  5            
Open Lock             3                 14            
Perform              n/a               n/a            
Repair                6                  6            
Search                6                 17            
Spot                  5                 16            
Swim                  4                  6            
Tumble                3                  3            
Use Magic Device     n/a               n/a            

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+5)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor II


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+5)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Spot II
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II
Enhancement: Rogue Search II


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor III


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude III


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore II


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction II
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    Basically a toe to toe melee trap monkey that maintains agro and can self heal between fights with the use of wands.

    This is with no tomes or gear (hence the Bare Bones part) and could be used while server hopping or starting from scratch. The skill distribution should allow for good solo-ability while completing optional objectives with ease for loot runs, favor grinds, etc.
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  2. 08-22-2009, 07:45 PM #2
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  3. 08-22-2009, 07:53 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackRage View Post
    This is not a Batman
    is it not a multipurpose toon to fill various roles within a party? What you prefer I have called it ' self healing trap monkey toaster with melee capabilities'
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  4. 08-22-2009, 07:57 PM #4
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    Rogue levels but no UMD? A wizard level is a waste on a melee build like this you can self heal with wand AND reconstruct scrolls if you put points into UMD.
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  5. 08-22-2009, 08:14 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarkius View Post
    is it not a multipurpose toon to fill various roles within a party? What you prefer I have called it ' self healing trap monkey toaster with melee capabilities'
    Neg, not really on both accounts. Probably want to figure out what batman means wrt DDO though…
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  6. 08-22-2009, 08:48 PM #6
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    Strange I thought the levels of barbarian would do quite nicely for overalll melee capabilities, rage buffs, faster movement and extra hit points from the toughness enhancement lines and feats would be useful.

    The rogue is more for finding hidden doors, disabling traps, opening locks not to mention the added bonus to damage for anything that 'qualifies' as a sneak attack. No he's not a sneaky sneaky type rogue and end game he may not be able to get every trap but it should be handy on the way up, especially when running solo.

    A single level on Wizard allows me to use wands & scrolls without a UMD check if you would really like to get down to the brass tacks of that matter. This gave me extra skill points that allowed me to max my disable device skill (hmmm strange how that works). I can use scrolls of whatever collective level my character is without a UMD check or a wand for that matter. Which grants me access to a lot more spells thatn repair light damage and 'limited' wands.

    No I did not take any of the 'usual' combat feats (cleave, greater cleave, spring attack, etc) When playing multiclass to this degree they are other feats that are more neneficial than a timer waiting to refresh.

    With the addition of appropraite tomes and gear this can be a very viable character IMO. But even without it them it should be able to hold its own.

    But you are more than welcome to make a suggestion if you have something useful to say.
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  7. 08-22-2009, 08:49 PM #7
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    Several things should be adjusted, currently the character has some serious flaws.
    Not in the magnitude of unplayable or being a burden to the party, but things that can clearly be done in a better way.


    Feats:

    Mithril Body - switch it out around level 9. Didch AC completly there, you wont be able to keep AC in a working range, so resources you invest into AC will be wasted.

    2nd Thoughness taken: really bade return on investment. Take another feat. Options are IC:Slashing or Stunning Blow.

    Nimble Fingers - unnecessary, if you really have problems with traps in the lower midlevels, keep it untill around level 9 for Power Attack. With a base INT of 14 you will be perfectly fine with regards to traps if you have a INT item to wear and a good skill item to wear when disabling traps. If the box is disarmed, switch back to combat gear. Invest some AP into skill enhancements, and take the skillboost action boost.


    Stats:

    -6 WIS --> +6 CON.
    You need HP, moderate WIS is unnecessary on this build. Even for a slightly better Spot and Wil-Save. Every death you avoided by the +3 higher will-save, you will have died 10 additional deaths in other ocasions because you have a significantly lower HP total.



    Level-split:

    If you want to keep Barbarian, go 12 Barbarian / 8 Rogue. Or 12 Barbarian / 7 Rogue / 1 Fighter. Or 12 Barbarian / 7 Rogue / 1 Wizard

    The 13 Barbarian level is a dead level. 1 level of Wizard can be completly and better (!) substituted with UMD.



    On a general notice:
    Barbarian´s Rage and characters with utility-abilities do not mix well, as most utilitys require you to stop raging. No wand whipping, UMDing scrolls or disabling traps in barbarian rage.

    Its generally better to switch to Fighter for such a build. Meaning that the level split above should be switched:
    12 Fighter / 8 Rogue. Or 12 Fighter / 7 Rogue / 1 Barbarian. Or *12 Fighter / 7 Rogue / 1 Wizard.* The later split being the one i thing will be closest to how you envision your character´s abilities.




    Conclusion:

    The build idea is viable, and i really like having characters in my groups who can help out with many different things. This build here can be tweaked a bit so you will have an overall better performing character who will be "more fun" in the end. I hope my tips give you some tasty food for your thoughts.
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  8. 08-22-2009, 08:56 PM #8
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    Thanks for the input, I will have to run it throught the builder to see what my end results would be and how it may effect what I am trying to accomplish with the build.

    I was aware of the no wand whiping, scroll use etc. while raged. It is more for when you really just gotta clear the room as quickly as possible. But, being warforged I do not get exhausted if I have to end a rage prematurely and hence can do so at no penalty except the loss in bonus hit points, etc. which would allow me to heal myself in a pinch.

    Still good suggestions though.
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  9. 08-22-2009, 09:55 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarkius View Post
    A single level on Wizard allows me to use wands & scrolls without a UMD check if you would really like to get down to the brass tacks of that matter. This gave me extra skill points that allowed me to max my disable device skill (hmmm strange how that works). I can use scrolls of whatever collective level my character is without a UMD check or a wand for that matter. Which grants me access to a lot more spells thatn repair light damage and 'limited' wands.
    A single level on wizard allows you to use wands without a UMD check, you will still have to make a caster level check on scrolls and any of the worthwhile scrolls will be all but impossible.

    the level of wizard definitely did not give you the extra skill points needed for disable device as both the barbarian and rogue classes get more skill points that a wizard (hmmm stange how that works)

    So you get to use cure critical wands and stoneskin wands.... with max ranks in UMD (which is really easy to achieve with six levels in rogue) you can use those same wands AND the ever valuable reconstruct/greater restoration/resurrection/heal scrolls.

    Drop the level of wizard it is a waste of time, I've never met any WF melee with a level of wizard for wand whipping that didn't later regret taking it.
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  10. 08-22-2009, 11:09 PM #10
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    Default a second look...

    After running the suggested changes through the builder, here is what you would end up with...

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Level 20 Chaotic Good Warforged Male
(14 Fighter \ 6 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 360
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 8
Will: 4

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Stats         Base Stats        
Abilities        (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             18                 23            
Dexterity             8                  8            
Constitution         16                 16            
Intelligence         14                 14            
Wisdom                6                  6            
Charisma              6                  6            

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance               3                 13            
Bluff                -2                 -2            
Concentration         3                  3            
Diplomacy            -2                 -2            
Disable Device        6                 25            
Haggle               -2                 -2            
Heal                 -2                 -2            
Hide                  3                  3            
Intimidate           -2                  2            
Jump                  4                  7            
Listen               -2                 -2            
Move Silently         3                  3            
Open Lock             3                 11            
Perform              n/a               n/a            
Repair                6                  6            
Search                6                 16            
Spot                  2                 12            
Swim                  4                  7            
Tumble                3                  3            
Use Magic Device      2                 21            

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Search II
Enhancement: Rogue Spot II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic I


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore II
Enhancement: Kensei Falchion I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Falchion Specialization I
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude III


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Enhancement: Kensei Greatsword Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
    Basically the changes suggested are validated...Dropping the level of wizard allows for more total skill points, and instead of wasting feats and enhancements on the wizard side of things, I can use the fighter bonus feats to take more combat orieted feats, incresing damage potential and the increased hitpoints are nice as well since I am not buriing up a level slot on Wizard.

    I still went rogue for 6 levels allowing me to take the Way of the Mechanic I prestige enhancement.This still may not be a deal breaker, but it is nice just the same. And 14 level of fighter make everything more than adequate.

    In direct comparrison, you are looking at this in short...

    Original Build vs. Suggested Changes
    Replacing CON for WIS: 310 HP vs. 360 HP and ending stats are more 'combat alligned' for more solo-ability.

    Skills: some drop but the use of UMD does allow for full scroll use for higher end scrolls (I stand corrected on the use of scrolls per character level vs. wands). Down side, some of the lesser skills suffer, but they are skills that I was not 'focusing' on anyway. Disable Device and UMD are both maxed in suggested build. This allows use of wands, scrolls, and various 'restricted' gear. UMD is definately a viable skill in suggested build. Spot and Search skills are not 'maxed' but well within useful range. I could probably drop the intimidate altogether and reassign those skill points to something more useful like balance or even add more to Spot and Search skills.

    Feats: addiitional combat feats are nice to have, Power Attack and Cleave are always fun to use but did not fit in with original build. Frankly I rarely use them, but will have to see what the build is capable of as it levels. Yes, nimble fingers can more than likely be eliminated or swapped, but the way my dice roll i would rather have the additional bonuses

    I will admit the changes are more appropriate for the general build idea that was presented. Thank you to those that actually gave input and made suggestions. Any others are welcome to make their suggestions as well.
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  11. 08-23-2009, 07:33 AM #11
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    I'd go Fighter12/Rogue6/Barbarian2.
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  12. 08-23-2009, 10:20 AM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriogen View Post
    I'd go Fighter12/Rogue6/Barbarian2.
    Other than the rage and fast movement what would be the real bonus for taking 2 levels of barbarian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarkius View Post
    Other than the rage and fast movement what would be the real bonus for taking 2 levels of barbarian?
    Rage and fast movement is bonus. Well, fighter 14 doesn't give you much anyway.

    Barb also get 4 skills/level (vs fighter 2), so easier to max skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriogen View Post
    Rage and fast movement is bonus. Well, fighter 14 doesn't give you much anyway.

    Barb also get 4 skills/level (vs fighter 2), so easier to max skills.
    Why not just go the extra 2 rog ... more skill than barb... skill boost 3 ... extra d6+3 sneak damage ...

    he was taking the barb out because rage interfered with too much. and movement bonus is nice, but eh ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SneakThief View Post
    Why not just go the extra 2 rog ... more skill than barb... skill boost 3 ... extra d6+3 sneak damage ...

    he was taking the barb out because rage interfered with too much. and movement bonus is nice, but eh ...
    I never really looked at going past the level 6 for rogue - I was focused on achieving the Way of the Mechanic I Enhancement. The extra bonus to 'sneak damage' would be nice especially combined with flanking bonus, I think. Dependin on where I work the other two levels of rogue in at, that way I could keep the extra feats provided by going higher in fighter level.

    Ill see if the trade off is worthwhile, IMO.

    Thanks again for the suggestions...
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