My raid loot philosophy....

[doppleganger]

I don't like people rolling for their guild-mates... What do you all think about that practice? Instead I gave the shield to the next highest roll, a fighter...

Yea, I hate that too.

[Vivanto]

I would have a problem with that and I would squelch you... But the truth is, unless you announced it, I'd never know, and I never pay attention to who takes +3 tomes anyway... I assume everyone takes +3 tomes for themselves...

(vendoring a +3 tome is pretty ass-hat move, so yeah I wouldn't want to play with someone like that)

Exactly my point, unless I would say out of spite to annoy everyone in a group, nobody would know if I actually needed it or just took it cause it's mine. Ofcourse, I personally wouldn't do it, nor would I pulle something I can't use, even if I don't have it, but the option is given, and there's nothing anyone can do about it but myself.

Even more importantly, it's none of their friggin' business.

[sirgog]

Word.


Also it gonna happen more frequently in the coming months. And, these issues usually only happen in the Reaver, but when the rings/belts/necklaces hit.....oh lordy.

The one that does really, really gets under my skin is the cleric that loots the madstone boots. Hell if I'll pick them up <again>. "yeah, I'd get first round, but I need to let my madstone rage wear off......anyone have a madstone rod?"

I have a set of Madstone Boots on Numot (took them as a 40th end reward) and use them whenever I'm playing a melee role in a party. I actually do want a 2nd, and that and the +3 Wis tome are the only reasons i continue running it.

[Kraak]

Even more importantly, it's none of their friggin' business.

Unless you're solo'ing the raid. I would have to disagree. The current mechanic is barely better than the last one and it drives the opportunity to say - its nobody's business. (Except the %'s are off and its clear that the % for each item are different)

Just because the mechanic is written that way, doesn't mean I won't say something if a fighter rolls/takes a dreamsplitter when there are 4 casters in group that need it (and have said they need it). Normally, I just add the person to my "friends" list and leave it at that. But if it is egregiously greedy, I'll say something.

[Kraak]

I have a set of Madstone Boots on Numot (took them as a 40th end reward) and use them whenever I'm playing a melee role in a party. I actually do want a 2nd, and that and the +3 Wis tome are the only reasons i continue running it.

2 things - why did you gimp your fighter, and I'm glad Numot's not on Thelanis.

[Arlith]

I go into a quest expecting to pull only what loot I see with my name next to it. anything else is a bonus.

Bound loot, if I cannot use it I will offer for roll, or give it away. If someone offers to trade for it or buy it I will consider it. Although if they had waited I might have given it to them for free.

Tomes - Any I pull are mine, mine, mine. If I haven't got that one I will eat it. There is no telling what will happen in the future with the game. Things go from nice to necessary all the time. If I already have that tome, and it is binding I will offer it for a roll. I won't see how much I can get for it, or what items I can squeeze out of someone. I do not find anything wrong with charging someone for a tome, I just won't do it. Again though, if someone offers before I get the chance to say roll, I will consider. Charging is one thing, capitalizing on an offer is different.

[gorloch]

I know going into a raid I will pull whatever it is I am looking for on another toon. Then I ask any guildies if they want my loot to rub in my face at a later time, then put it up for roll for the rest of the party.


PIXA

[cdemeritt]

I was Typing this for another thread that was gone by the time I got done. Hi, Eldun
Anyways.............

It's not often, but when I'm in a total pug raid and I pull a bound tome or Raid loot. I kind of have my own little system of doing things:
Example: For argument sake, let us say I pulled a +3-charisma tome on my Barbarian.

1. I see if I can really use it. If so, I eat it. In this case, I go to option 2.

2. I ask who needs a +3-cha tome. Pug raid-loot rolling is stupid, in my opinion. It is my loot, so it is my rules. At this point, I really watch the volunteers, and then I categorize:

***** Pileon's: Those who wouldn't benefit from a +8 tome.....screw them, even if they were on a Sorc. I eat it.

***** Acquaintance: I kind of recognize the name, and I have played with them before.....If they are on someone that in my opinion would benefit from the tome. I might just give it to them. Figuring since I do play with this person from time to time, it may just benefit me in the long run. By making their character stronger....If I feel they are just being greedy (My tome, my opinion). Example: If a Wizzy wanted it . I will ask for a trade, maybe a +2 tome I could actually use on some toon.

***** Friend/non-guildie: The acquaintance has no chance. If he thinks he can use it, it is his. If they are a good friend, I will probably get a favor back down the line. It's a karma thing.

***** Guildie: Automatically theirs if they can use it. In my eye's it’s like eating a tome on one of my own characters. I count on this player so I want them as good as they can be.


.....just my 2 cents.

It's funny you say this... as I was going to respond to that "other" thread as well... I was there, and saw the whole thing (and was partially at fault for the near wipe, as I was the tank) The best part is that Eldun was one of the first to die... long before the rest.
As I said in party chat after, If the person who pull the "Whatever" feels they can use it, no matter how little of a use, they should be free to take it... I was on my Fighter with a very low Cha, had he pulled the tome, he would have looted it... as it would help his intim. If it had gone up for a roll, I probably would have rolled on it.... if I won the roll, and the sorc was in second, I'd probably withdraw my roll (have done this when I beat a cleric in a hound run).... However If I roll and "Items" owner chooses to ignore my roll, due to my lesser need, that is their choice.
I just am tired of people complaining about people pulling things that "they" can't use... I don't know your plans, and maybe they can use it, and you just think they can't.

Now if a sorc at this level "NEEDS" a +3 tome, I'm a little concerned... My capped sorc has passed on +3 CHA tomes as the +1 to CHA would put me at a 37 and not very useful CHA at this time for a much more useful at this time item. and even without the +3 he has a DC of 33 on FoD and more than enough SP for solo caster in the shroud.

I can't wait for the day one of my toons pulls a +3 tome of any time from the reaver and someone complains... I've got almost 200 completions combined and still no tome... If I can use it, I will take it reguardless of what others think.

[Monkey_Archer]

Hi Womp...
On Thelanis I and the one known as Thylus.
Pleased to meet your aquaintance

[Bunker]

I know it Brae. And you know I'm rarely if ever one of them bastages. I just don't let it raise my blood pressure anymore. If someone is a jackass with loot, I just make note and move on with my day. No need to group with them again - but no need for an overt amount of drama and yelling about it, either.

Amen Memnir. I think that is vital to enjoying the game. Why stress over anything in DDO. These times are suppose to be about relaxing and chilling with your peeps.

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.

[leviathan]

Yea, I hate that too.

Chaps my hide also.

Saw this in ICY runs the other day. Icy put up for roll wizard wins and passes it to his buddy who lost the roll. They did not make any friends.

[Braegan]

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.

I've endured that stress many times.

[Rayzorlew]

Hi Womp...
On Thelanis I and the one known as Thylus.
Pleased to meet your aquaintance

Dude, you can't have my tome....

[Pittminion]

I subscribe to the standard don't be an a$$hat rules. If you can't use it give it to someone that can, guildies, friends, and non idiot pugs. In that order. Tomes, those I'll eat unless a guildie can use it more than me. I'm not passing a tome to a pug. That's just that.

[SpanishBlueEyes]

Amen Memnir. I think that is vital to enjoying the game. Why stress over anything in DDO. These times are suppose to be about relaxing and chilling with your peeps.

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.

we should all be stressin over farve coming back AGAIN!

opps got off topic! ummm your loot is your loot do what you want and don't cry if you don't get someone else's loot.

[SpanishBlueEyes]

Amen Memnir. I think that is vital to enjoying the game. Why stress over anything in DDO. These times are suppose to be about relaxing and chilling with your peeps.

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.

How many min fridges do you need of ful beer for a bad raiding night.

[Athermal]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.

Let me get this straight. I assume you are the one I heard about in game yesterday.

You looted a +3 cha tome on your wizard in a raid that was saved by a sorc. You had already used a +3 cha tome on your wizard. The sorc could have used the tome, but you decided to loot it and vendor it.

Is this you, and accurate?

[Vhlad]

It's funny you say this... as I was going to respond to that "other" thread as well... I was there, and saw the whole thing (and was partially at fault for the near wipe, as I was the tank) The best part is that Eldun was one of the first to die... long before the rest. As I said in party chat after, If the person who pull the "Whatever" feels they can use it, no matter how little of a use, they should be free to take it... I was on my Fighter with a very low Cha, had he pulled the tome, he would have looted it... as it would help his intim. If it had gone up for a roll, I probably would have rolled on it.... if I won the roll, and the sorc was in second, I'd probably withdraw my roll (have done this when I beat a cleric in a hound run).... However If I roll and "Items" owner chooses to ignore my roll, due to my lesser need, that is their choice.
I just am tired of people complaining about people pulling things that "they" can't use... I don't know your plans, and maybe they can use it, and you just think they can't.

Now if a sorc at this level "NEEDS" a +3 tome, I'm a little concerned... My capped sorc has passed on +3 CHA tomes as the +1 to CHA would put me at a 37 and not very useful CHA at this time for a much more useful at this time item. and even without the +3 he has a DC of 33 on FoD and more than enough SP for solo caster in the shroud.

I can't wait for the day one of my toons pulls a +3 tome of any time from the reaver and someone complains... I've got almost 200 completions combined and still no tome... If I can use it, I will take it reguardless of what others think.

O RLY? Which character/class do you think he was playing?

[Uska]

I subscribe to the standard don't be an a$$hat rules. If you can't use it give it to someone that can, guildies, friends, and non idiot pugs. In that order. Tomes, those I'll eat unless a guildie can use it more than me. I'm not passing a tome to a pug. That's just that.

Even if you already used it? if so who are you? just to know so I never ever heal you or pass you loot of if possible group with you, who am I? I am Tarkain and purchase.

[cdemeritt]

O RLY? Which character/class do you think he was playing?

The only one who was making noise... Loud noise!!... The Sorc. If he wasn't the sorc, My apologies for the assumtion, however, all the more sad if you are on the forums complaining that someone didn't give someone else their loot. Really, nothing better to do than complain about what someone else looted but could have given to a 3rd party, who may or may not have needed it?

Let me get this straight. I assume you are the one I heard about in game yesterday.

You looted a +3 cha tome on your wizard in a raid that was saved by a sorc. You had already used a +3 cha tome on your wizard. The sorc could have used the tome, but you decided to loot it and vendor it.

Is this you, and accurate?

Well... The run was not saved by the sorc.... The sorc was the second person to die.... The run was saved by the Cleric who actually had Death Pack loaded and spent the 2000 gp material component cost to die and raise everyone... had this hadn't happened, I doubt we would have succeaded. The near party wipe came due to a random lighting strike taking out both a cleric and the sorc, the wizzy was dead first, spikes I think... but we were left 9 melees, 1 cleric and a whole lot of angry Air Eleis, with no CC. Yes, once everyone was raise, the sorc's FWs and Disco balls helped.. but to say he saved the day...

Now as for the second part of your statement... I heard nothing about nor have read that the wizzy had already looted another +3 tome, however if he did, well I don't think it is right, but it was his to do with what he wanted not mine and not yours... I'm tired of the arguments about who "needs" the goggles more out of VoD, the Rogue who pulled them or the melee who wants them.... If it isn't in my name, it isn't mine.