My raid loot philosophy....

[Rayzorlew]

I was Typing this for another thread that was gone by the time I got done. Hi, Eldun
Anyways.............

It's not often, but when I'm in a total pug raid and I pull a bound tome or Raid loot. I kind of have my own little system of doing things:
Example: For argument sake, let us say I pulled a +3-charisma tome on my Barbarian.

1. I see if I can really use it. If so, I eat it. In this case, I go to option 2.

2. I ask who needs a +3-cha tome. Pug raid-loot rolling is stupid, in my opinion. It is my loot, so it is my rules. At this point, I really watch the volunteers, and then I categorize:

***** Pileon's: Those who wouldn't benefit from a +8 tome.....screw them, even if they were on a Sorc. I eat it.

***** Acquaintance: I kind of recognize the name, and I have played with them before.....If they are on someone that in my opinion would benefit from the tome. I might just give it to them. Figuring since I do play with this person from time to time, it may just benefit me in the long run. By making their character stronger....If I feel they are just being greedy (My tome, my opinion). Example: If a Wizzy wanted it . I will ask for a trade, maybe a +2 tome I could actually use on some toon.

***** Friend/non-guildie: The acquaintance has no chance. If he thinks he can use it, it is his. If they are a good friend, I will probably get a favor back down the line. It's a karma thing.

***** Guildie: Automatically theirs if they can use it. In my eye's it’s like eating a tome on one of my own characters. I count on this player so I want them as good as they can be.


.....just my 2 cents.

[Bloodhaven]

With raid loot if i can use it i loot it. If i cant use the loot then I will ask in guild " Can anyone use this?" if not then it goes to friends then other pugs.

It's my loot I do what I want with it.

I guess that means i agree with you

[FluffyCalico]

With raid loot I pull if I want it I keep it. If I don't then I give it to someone else or offer for role to those who can make good use of it.
If someone begs or pesters me for it, I give it to anyone but them. If noone else wanted and the person was being a real ass I might leave it in the chest for them to remember what acting that way earned them.

[sirgog]

I don't mind what people do, as long as it's agreed upon beforehand and it's in line with server standards.

That said, Khyber's standards are vastly different to yours. Selling binds-on-acquire loot in a PUG run will get you on blacklists fast on Khyber (unless the raid agreed upon this behaviour beforehand), although people tend to accept trading bound +3 tomes for unbound +2 ones. Our norm is definitely 'if it drops for you you are free to loot it, failing that put it up for roll'

[Thailand_Dan]

I'm not expecting anything to come from this thread, as there are thousands of similar ones on the forum. However, I'll throw in my philosophy on the subject before it spirals downward. If it is something I really need/want, I keep it. If it something I can use, but someone else can obviously benefit from it more, I give them a roll, and i roll as well. For unbound loot, all bets are off. I pulled it, its mine, if its valuable.

Case in point: I've run about 25 reavers on one of my capped sorc in hopes of pulling a +3 CHA tome, and I'm still trying. A few days ago, a +3 CHA tome drops for me on my ranger/rogue. I haven't even eaten a +1 on this toon, so the extra UMD will help a lot. But, how often do I use UMD? Usually only to raise a cleric or group member in emergencies. It'd be nice, but I know how coveted that tome is by the sorc. So, I tell the sorc, "I can use it, but I know you can as well, so I'll roll you for it." I won.

Karma, as you mentioned, finds a way. I'm sure that guy who I let roll will remember that. Some other group members might also remember my generosity. Maybe they won't, but I did it to be nice, and would have gladly handed it over if the other guy won. After all, it's just a game.

[Samadhi]

Edited because I am paranoid...

"Just because you are not paranoid, does not mean they are not watching you."

[muffinlad]

I was Typing this for another thread that was gone by the time I got done. Hi, Eldun
Anyways.............

It's not often, but when I'm in a total pug raid and I pull a bound tome or Raid loot. I kind of have my own little system of doing things:
Example: For argument sake, let us say I pulled a +3-charisma tome on my Barbarian.

1. I see if I can really use it. If so, I eat it. In this case, I go to option 2.

2. I ask who needs a +3-cha tome. Pug raid-loot rolling is stupid, in my opinion. It is my loot, so it is my rules. At this point, I really watch the volunteers, and then I categorize:

***** Pileon's: Those who wouldn't benefit from a +8 tome.....screw them, even if they were on a Sorc. I eat it.

***** Acquaintance: I kind of recognize the name, and I have played with them before.....If they are on someone that in my opinion would benefit from the tome. I might just give it to them. Figuring since I do play with this person from time to time, it may just benefit me in the long run. By making their character stronger....If I feel they are just being greedy (My tome, my opinion). Example: If a Wizzy wanted it . I will ask for a trade, maybe a +2 tome I could actually use on some toon.

***** Friend/non-guildie: The acquaintance has no chance. If he thinks he can use it, it is his. If they are a good friend, I will probably get a favor back down the line. It's a karma thing.

***** Guildie: Automatically theirs if they can use it. In my eye's it’s like eating a tome on one of my own characters. I count on this player so I want them as good as they can be.


.....just my 2 cents.

Pretty much the same as my own.

I have absolutely stopped allowing rolls for my raid loot that I do not want. I assign it instead. What someone does after that, up to them.

Tomes, I generally eat, no matter if I had a 9 charisma and this takes me to 12....I do it. If I already have it, I assign it to guildies, friends, aquanit. etc.

muffingiftgrift

[Bloodhaven]

If you always give your +3 cha tome to the scorc and your +3 wis tome to the cleric you will never get one for yourself for that +1 to your intim/umd/haggle/ac/will save..

[Memnir]

If it has my name next to it in then it's my loot to allocate how I chose - end of story. I'm a nice guy and will usually hand off something I cannot use, and my criteria on how I hand it off is almost verbatim what Womp listed above.

But at the end of the day, I've got far more pressing things in life to deal with than worry about how other people feel about raid loot that was never theirs in the first place.

[Braegan]

I don't mind what people do, as long as it's agreed upon beforehand and it's in line with server standards.

That said, Khyber's standards are vastly different to yours. Selling binds-on-acquire loot in a PUG run will get you on blacklists fast on Khyber (unless the raid agreed upon this behaviour beforehand), although people tend to accept trading bound +3 tomes for unbound +2 ones. Our norm is definitely 'if it drops for you you are free to loot it, failing that put it up for roll'

I dunno about Kyber being that different than us. Well maybe some of us. But as I stated before basically do what you wanna do, but don't be suprised when your azz is left out of a raid because your greedy nature became known and no one wants you on their raid.

[Braegan]

[QUOTE=Memnir;2362491
But at the end of the day, I've got far more pressing things in life to deal with than worry about how other people feel about raid loot that was never theirs in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Mem, you are my bro and I know you will see it as such. But my only interjection if you will is that likewise I don't care that much about a greedy bastage from time to time, but I will be damned if I will let the same greedy bastage into another group so he/she can show their greed again.

[Memnir]

I know it Brae. And you know I'm rarely if ever one of them bastages. I just don't let it raise my blood pressure anymore. If someone is a jackass with loot, I just make note and move on with my day. No need to group with them again - but no need for an overt amount of drama and yelling about it, either.

[Kraak]

No need to group with them again - but no need for an overt amount of drama and yelling about it, either.

Word.


Also it gonna happen more frequently in the coming months. And, these issues usually only happen in the Reaver, but when the rings/belts/necklaces hit.....oh lordy.

The one that does really, really gets under my skin is the cleric that loots the madstone boots. Hell if I'll pick them up <again>. "yeah, I'd get first round, but I need to let my madstone rage wear off......anyone have a madstone rod?"

[Fenrisulven6]

That said, Khyber's standards are vastly different to yours. Selling binds-on-acquire loot in a PUG run will get you on blacklists fast on Khyber (unless the raid agreed upon this behaviour beforehand)

Clue me in on why is poor form. Bidding wars devolve into drama?

Karma, as you mentioned, finds a way

No kidding. Ran with two Kyber vets who have moved to my server. They were starting fresh and needed gear. Gave the ranger a rr para scim that my finese couldn't minmax [already have a bow anyways]. Next day out of nowhere a stranger in my pug hands me a rr precious I'd been wanting, unasked for and with no strings attached. Yummy Karma.

[Murgatroyd]

Word.


Also it gonna happen more frequently in the coming months. And, these issues usually only happen in the Reaver, but when the rings/belts/necklaces hit.....oh lordy.

The one that does really, really get under my skin is the cleric that loots the madstone boots. Hell if I'll pick them up <again>. "yeah, I'd get first round, but I need to let my madstone rage wear off......anyone have a madstone rod?"

But those boots have potency 7!!
No joke but I've seen a caster justify his reason for rolling on the boots as such.

I think those rings in mod 9 will be an issue...I personally will always want the +6 con ones with the exceptional primary stat for my characters...

In the end, I don't know what your build is, but it's my loot and I decide how it gets handed out.

[RTN]

You guys really watch what everyone does and gets for loot? If I'm in a PUG raid, I figure everyone's loot is their loot to dispose of any way they want to. Why waste my time and energy tracking what other people get or give? If someone offers up stuff for a roll that I need, I'll roll. Otherwise I just recall out because it was never mine to have or decide how to dole out. Life and playing time is too short to worry and stew about stuff like that.

[Thrudh]

I put a lot of raid loot up for roll...

Just recently, I've started evaluating who is rolling though... The other day, I pulled Levik's Tower Shield from Hound... I put it up for roll... but then instead of just giving it to the high roller, I checked him out... He was a pure cleric!

I asked him what he was going to use it for... Was he planning on splashing fighter or taking Tower Shield proficiency at 18 or something? He said he was just rolling for his guildie...

I don't like people rolling for their guild-mates... What do you all think about that practice? Instead I gave the shield to the next highest roll, a fighter...

[Vivanto]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.

[Thrudh]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.

I would have a problem with that and I would squelch you... But the truth is, unless you announced it, I'd never know, and I never pay attention to who takes +3 tomes anyway... I assume everyone takes +3 tomes for themselves...

(vendoring a +3 tome is pretty ass-hat move, so yeah I wouldn't want to play with someone like that)

[doppleganger]

The same as others in my case, if I want it, I keep it. Else I offer it to friends first. After that, I directly inquire classes that would benefit the most the item if they got it already/want it, if so they roll on it. Else, general roll.

Just to add a note that sometime, what may look like greed might not be. For example, I would be very tempted to eat a +3 CHA tome on a fighter that had CHA as dump stat, to raise it from 8 to 11, if I intend one day to use Silver Flame Pots to keep him alive in tight situations and dont want to become helpless because of the -10 stat debuf, and I dont want to tie in a slot with an item just to raise that CHA for this single reason.