Clerics low on mana...

[Sou1Hammer]

How many have been in a party/quest where you cleric was running low on mana? I was in a group where the cleric was low and was conserving the rest that he had for hp recovery (healing hitpoints). Another member in the party needed some restores cast on him, as did I. The cleric gave us each 1 restore. 1 was enough for me, the other member mentioned needed more and asked for another. The cleric replied that he was saving the rest of him mana for healing hit points and that maybe said member should start carrying pots of restore on him. This member got all bent out of shape because the cleric "refused" to give him another restoration. We weren't all that far from the shrine, so he could have (and did) waited.

Granted the member in question is a friend of mine, but I had to side with the cleric on this one. Being that my primary toon is a cleric, I know what it's like to run low on mana and have to be choosy as to who get what spell until I can shrine.

What are your thoughts on the situation? Rep points would be nice as well, but not expected.

[smatt]

Restoration scrolls.........

I see oh so many threads that melees should be more prepeared with various pots etc.... This goes for clerics as well.....

[DoctorWhofan]

Restoration scrolls.........

I see oh so many threads that melees should be more prepeared with various pots etc.... This goes for clerics as well.....

Yes, but there is a backlash from cleric players about they always spending gold to keep others up. My clerics are always prepared, at least try. But I have been in some bad PuGs where I ran out of stuff. Yes, they exist. I would do what the cleric said. However, a wand or scrolls (depending on the spell) would have been better.

[Lewcipher]

Restoration scrolls.........

I see oh so many threads that melees should be more prepeared with various pots etc.... This goes for clerics as well.....

It's not the cleric's responsibility carry those is it? Silver flame necklace? Just sayin...

[Uska]

Restoration scrolls.........

I see oh so many threads that melees should be more prepeared with various pots etc.... This goes for clerics as well.....

Its in poor taste to expect the cleric to buy everything to fix your woe's

[smatt]

Its in poor taste to expect the cleric to buy everything to fix your woe's

Who cares.... Well maybe if the cleric had throw a deathward, Oh it was a beholder... Or maye the melees could've gotten a Silver Flamenecklace, or maybe 1 neg level doesn't really matter THAT much.... But since the cleric said carry pots, it's a pparent he didn't have a clue yet, so maybe a hint or 2 abotu what cures what and waht MOST clerics carry. I don't really care to be honest.... I help people out no matter what toon I'm playing often tossing heals/restoration scrolls from my UMD tank, or my Wizzy, let alone Cleric.... A little bit of plat is meaningless when even at low levels MOST players have enough to cover a coupel thousand.

Lame discussion, unless it includes tips to players on how to avoid such things.... And what they should be carrying themselves...

A well buffed, well taken care of party is a cheaper party to heal...... People also tend to play better when they're happy and not all ****y...

[rest]

I enjoy running Cursed Crypt on my caster. So if anyone is looking to upgrade their necklace, let me know

[Kalari]

A well buffed, well taken care of party is a cheaper party to heal...... People also tend to play better when they're happy and not all ****y...

True but my cleric is still looking for that buff that prevents stupid playing. You know the one that shows them "yes you have buffs but that doesnt mean your invincible.."

[smatt]

True but my cleric is still looking for that buff that prevents stupid playing. You know the one that shows them "yes you have buffs but that doesnt mean your invincible.."

Well there's no buff for that... You simply dont' ehal the person, let them die.. And if you feel nice.. Carry their stone.. THAT will prevent stupid game play

This game will be coem a lot more ummmmm interesting soon.... There will likely be mroe new players around that since the orginal launch.... It will take an extrodinairy amount of patience from the veteran players

[Sou1Hammer]

Who cares.... Well maybe if the cleric had throw a deathward, Oh it was a beholder... Or maye the melees could've gotten a Silver Flamenecklace, or maybe 1 neg level doesn't really matter THAT much.... But since the cleric said carry pots, it's a pparent he didn't have a clue yet, so maybe a hint or 2 abotu what cures what and waht MOST clerics carry. I don't really care to be honest.... I help people out no matter what toon I'm playing often tossing heals/restoration scrolls from my UMD tank, or my Wizzy, let alone Cleric.... A little bit of plat is meaningless when even at low levels MOST players have enough to cover a coupel thousand.

Lame discussion, unless it includes tips to players on how to avoid such things.... And what they should be carrying themselves...

A well buffed, well taken care of party is a cheaper party to heal...... People also tend to play better when they're happy and not all ****y...

If you really don't care, then why even post? You're basically saying that the cleric SHOULD be responsible for the health of everyone in the party. I completely disagree. If you're in a guild and have multiple toons, there is no excuse for not carrying pots. Pots are cheap and plentifull. If you're to lazy to carry pots, then I don't want you in my parties. (I'm not referring to you persay, I'm making a generalization here.)

To EXPECT the cleric to heal/restore every time, not only shows ignorance/poor planning, but also a lack of respect for not only the cleric class, but the rest of your party members as well because you're basically saying that YOU are more important than anybody else and to hell with what the others need.

Again, I'm not making reference to any one particular person posting here, I'm making a generalization.

[Kalanth]

If you really don't care, then why even post? You're basically saying that the cleric SHOULD be responsible for the health of everyone in the party. I completely disagree. If you're in a guild and have multiple toons, there is no excuse for not carrying pots. Pots are cheap and plentifull. If you're to lazy to carry pots, then I don't want you in my parties. (I'm not referring to you persay, I'm making a generalization here.)

To EXPECT the cleric to heal/restore every time, not only shows ignorance/poor planning, but also a lack of respect for not only the cleric class, but the rest of your party members as well because you're basically saying that YOU are more important than anybody else and to hell with what the others need.

Again, I'm not making reference to any one particular person posting here, I'm making a generalization.

That is going a bit far. Not carrying a pot and expecting the cleric to heal everyone (including yourself) is not the same as saying I am better than everyone here. That is poor planning, I will give you that, but it does not make the player selfish. In that same lite the cleric should be expected to carry massive stacks of scrolls and wands for every necessary spell in DDO and use them constantly with no expectation of return be it treasure, payment, or favoritism. Using your same standard for the party then the cleric in the OP's post was selfish and saying his is more important than the party because he would not spend some SP on another restoration.

[Solmage]

Restoration scrolls.........

I see oh so many threads that melees should be more prepeared with various pots etc.... This goes for clerics as well.....

From the text, this was stat damage. Ie lesser restore territory. I'd be embarrassed to ask anyone for it, much less the cleric. Drink one of the pots you're supposed to be carrying.

As for the other ones, hey negative levels can happen.. you can get distracted and forget to put your silverflame amulet or deathward clicky, you can zig instead of zag on a ray. But if you're getting nailed by these every fight, you need to learn to not be a noob, instead of relying on a babysitter to pay in scrolls for your noobness.

[rimble]

Restoration scrolls.........

I see oh so many threads that melees should be more prepeared with various pots etc.... This goes for clerics as well.....

There is nothing that prevents players from providing their own resources for the Cleric to use on them...

As others mentioned:

1) Understand how the game works, and carry Lesser Restore pots and drink them if applicable.

2) Doesn't hurt to carry your own Clerical resources to hand over to a Divine caster or UMD character to use on you.

I don't understand why everyone is so keen to shuffle off all financial responsibility onto the Cleric.

Now sure, if a Cleric wants to use material resources instead of spell points to be conservative...well, I'm not going to pay for that...use your **** spell points...but if you legitimately run out and are dipping into financial costs to continue, I'll try to help you out--though even then I'm less inclined to compensate the Cleric for OTHER peoples needs. If I'm requiring resources I'll try to reimburse that, if someone else is being a dumbass...well, it depends, but they need to work that out...

[Talon_Moonshadow]

These are the reasons I never play my cleric.

I carry wands of the various cure-alls. So that's seldom a problem.

In general, if someone asks I give it to them. They will just have to do without when I completely run out of mana.
This may not be the right way to play a cleric, but I don't understand why people can't see my missing blue bar and understand I'm almost OoM.

People should be aware of the status of every party member IMO.
It's a pet peave of mine. Everyone can see red and blue bars, everyone can see blue dots on maps (or lack there-of).
People can see curse and bane effects....etc.

The only things you should have to ask for is things that need (lesser)restore.
But like everyone says.....they sell pots.
And if my chars can afford them, I have them. Maybe not at low lvls, but eventually I'll have enough wealth to buy some.

Cleric mana is free though.
But I pride myself on being a professional adventurer, and not needing to sponge off my fellow party members.

But as a Cleric, I do all I can to help out.

Actually, I really think everyone should play a cleric.
It makes you a better player IMO.

All my chars now pay close attention to the status of everyone in the group.
And most of my chars will do what they can to heal and cure others if they can.

Anyway....if the party's carelessness make me run out of mana.....my cleric still carries heal kits.

[Burtle]

Anyway....if the party's carelessness make me run out of mana.....my cleric still carries heal kits.

I haven't used a healers kit since like Mod 4

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I haven't used a healers kit since like Mod 4

Another pet peave of mine is when my cleric is incapped and bleeding to death, the rest of the party just stands around and watches me.

(even worse is when they just run off and leave me there)

[Quikster]

From the text, this was stat damage. Ie lesser restore territory. I'd be embarrassed to ask anyone for it, much less the cleric. Drink one of the pots you're supposed to be carrying.

As for the other ones, hey negative levels can happen.. you can get distracted and forget to put your silverflame amulet or deathward clicky, you can zig instead of zag on a ray. But if you're getting nailed by these every fight, you need to learn to not be a noob, instead of relying on a babysitter to pay in scrolls for your noobness.

Obviously things happen. I have had a neg level or two. But if I get em, you have my permission to make a sporting comment. Peeps for the most part shouldnt get neg levels when running to hound, unless they are new.

First of all, if your posting here, your most likely not a problem to the cleric. However, please acknowledge that quite a few people don't bother to spend tons of money on their gear, preferring to wait until it falls in their lap. I spent over a hundred hours camping spawns in EQ1 for my Water Sprinkler, and another 60 or so camping spawns in WoW for my Benediction/Anathema, but I've noticed a lot of people here aren't willing to camp out rares for gear to make them better.

I pulled my Silver Flame amulet out of the bank the other day and realized it only has one charge on it. Which is something I need to fix, but as a cleric who carries both pots and a wand it hasn't been essential to me. Not to mention I don't put my self in situations in which I would get neg levels or stat damage.

When I get low on mana I usually start to switch over to wands and scrolls for heals leaving the reserve mana for utility spells and emergency heals.

There have been a few PuG's as of recently that have gotten on my nerves with the amount of restores needed especially on the way to hound. I accept it though as Necropolis is a hard place to get a group much less get people to go, and the mechanics of a few quests in there require a body to actually stand on plates and such so you can't easily solo it. Also I asked the guy what his fort save was at, and got "Where do I find that?". In my opinion constitution is highly important no matter what class you play, but apparently it wasn't important to him.

As far as gold spending for clerics. I'd complain more but I've got a good AH routine, and a good set of solo loot routes that keep me well stocked and comfortable.

IMO there is no excuse not to have protection from negative levels if you are doing end game raids, period. If you dont, dont raid in my groups.

My LFM's now read BYOH, even if there is a cleric in the party already.... prevents alot of misunderstandings later on.

Also, for those who are too cheap for pots, remember you can get clickies for nearly anything.. some of them are cheap and plentiful, like neut poison clickies which can commonly be found in the vendor. Others are easily farmable (flesh render guards from tangle root.. run it in 30 mins while you are bored).

If I was on a lowbie and pugging it, and the cleric didn't have enough resources to cast a restoration I would probably just mail him a stack of scrolls after the quest.

Yep if you let peeps know you wont be waiting for a cleric, most likely you can avoid this problem. The few newbs that do join likely will be advanced more than most newbs and are very teachable. Im cool with helping them out till they become established.

Pots any melee should carry 100 of:

CSW, Haste, Restore, Curse Removal, Remove Fear (hey, every once and a while it happens to a party you are in), Remove Disease (unless immune), Poison Immunity (even if immune).

There are a few others, but they tend to be optional imo. Every melee should carry these pots (even if you can wand, with the exception of poison) and the only excuse you have looking towards someone else (ie: cleric) to fix these issues needs to be "****, sorry, I'm a noob. Can you cast 'xxx' on me, I forgot to restock my pots".

I don't expect people to have the Necro trinket done, its an obscure and annoying questline. The vendor takes no effort though.

For sure peeps can carry their own pots. I dont expect newbs to have stacks of 100 but you can start with stacks of 10 and go from there. The only reasons someone should be asking for a lessor restore are A they are new, B they have so much stat damage they are helpless, and C they forgot to grab pots.

I dont expect peeps to have SF necklaces unless they are doing end game raids. Raiding requires a responsibility by the player. If you want to raid, you should take a few min to go get two to three charges on your SF necklace. The Cursed Crypt is not difficult to solo if you have a caster of high level. There is enough loot in there peeps still farm it, and if you dont have an opener, put up an lfm and ask. Many peeps will join your group so you can open the quest or may even run it with you. When you step into end game groups you should have the minimum of gear and supplies. If not you are doing nothing to help the group. Dont join my groups if all you want to do is pike through for a chance at loot you dont deserve

[DoctorWhofan]

As a cleric, he was doing the correct thing. A wand of lesser restoration wouldbe better. As for what the cleric said, I agree. Either I fix the damage or you don't get healed later. I'd risk it withthe party stat damaged. I have run accoss people who do that and I have answered,"well if you had over a mem pot or wand of less restore, or even of cure, then I will fix it. Otherwise, don't tell me how to use my spell points unless I ask. OR totally do the wrong thing. Ask the party if I am correct in this."

[Lorichie]

If the cleric says take care of yourself, you take care of yourself till the next shrine. I suspect he/she probably had a good reason for saving some mana for emergency healing.

I have enough clerics that if i ever have to tell the group to be careful, most clerics would have bailed probably before that.

This cleric probably knew the group better than the group knew itself, but mebbe not.

R

[Fenrisulven6]

This cleric probably knew the group better than the group knew itself, but mebbe not.

Thats an excellent point that tends to get lost: Clerics are often the best at seeing the big picture. On my first cleric, I learned more about every other class than if I had been playing them. You notice which dps builds can handle aggro, you can see whether the rogue is sliding in under the tank's aggro, etc. In short, from watching the red bars and watching the party in play, you get a good sense of its dynamics.

Which means sometimes, when things get dicey, you have to decide who's worth saving and who's not. Its called Triage. And I'm betting the cleric in question didn't see your friend's need for resotration as a priority.