Top Shroud Elite DPS builds

[Monkey_Archer]

*** DISCLAIMER: All numbers posted in this thread use OLD data, attack rates, character abilities and gear. As such, these numbers are no longer accurate in DDO at the current time. ***

Just what the title says... What are the top dps builds for Shroud Elite?

Running totals

Total Scores:

1: WF Archon: 362.76
2: WF Greataxe FB:  350.9
3: WF Khopesh Egomaniac: 345.78
4: WF Khopesh Tempest Kensai FB: 344.5
5: Despoiler: 337.9
6: Monster: 331.7
7: Dwarf Greataxe Kensai: 321.28
8: Dwarf DA Tempest FB: 319.2 
9: WF Colossus  318.52
10: WF Khopesh Tempest KOTC: 315.38
11: WF Falchion KOTC  314.16
12: Halfling Ravager: 313.62
13: Drow Rapier KOTC  310.14
14: WF Khopesh Kensai: 305.82
15: Dwarf DA FB:  299.62
16: Human Exploiter:  299.4
17: Hate Monster: 298.88
18: Tiny Terror: 296.88
19: Awesomobot: 295.8
20: Drow DOS: 285.84
21: Hurtlocker: 285.66
22: WF Khopesh Tempest/Kensai/Wizard: 280.62
23: Valenar Crusader: 280.2
24: Dwarf Stalwart: 274.32
25: WF Khopesh Crit rage tempest: 273.08
26: Dwarf DA Crit Rage Barb: 229.46
27: WF Monk: 229.24
28: Falseto: 221.12
29: WF Acrobat: 221.1
30: Axesinger: 210.7


Portals




1: WF Archon at 297.7 dps
2: WF FB at 296.8 dps
3: WF TKFB: 267.5
4: Dwarf Kensai: 264.7
5: WF Egomaniac at 262.5 dps
6: Dwarf Tempest FB at 257.3 dps
7:WF Colossus at 245.4 dps
8: Dwarf FB: 243.7 dps
9: WF Monster: 242.9 dps
10: WF KOTC: 234.7 dps
11: WF Tempest KOTC: 226 dps
12: Hate Monster : 223.4
13: Halfling Depspoiler at 221.5 dps
14: WF Kensai: 221.3 dps
15: Dwarf Stalwart: 216.9
16: Human Exploiter: 216.1 dps
17: Valenar Crusader: 209.8
18: Drow DOS: 208.7
19: Tempest/Kensai/Wizard: 208.3 dps
20: WF Monk: 205.8 dps
21: Drow KOTC: 203.2 dps
22: Awesomobot: 196.5 dps
23: WF Crit rage Tempest: 194.9 dps
24: Tiny Terror: 190.0 dps
25: Halfling Ravager: 177.9 dps
26: Hurtlocker: 176.1
27: WF Acrobat: 167.4 dps
28: Dwarf CR Barb: 166.3
29: Axesinger: 148.0
30: Falseto: 132.7


Harry



1: WF Archon: 367.2 dps
2: WF FB: 354.9 dps
3: WF Egomaniac: 347.5 dps
4: WF TKFB: 346.7
5: Drow KOTC: 341.9 dps
6: Halfling Despoiler: 338.8 dps
7: WF Monster: 338.0 dps
8: WF KOTC: 335.9 dps
9: WF Tempest KOTC: 328.6 dps
10: Dwarf Kensai: 325.0
11: Dwarf Tempest FB: 324.5 dps
12: Colossus at 320.8 dps
13: Halfling Ravager: 312.0 dps
14: WF Kensai at 309.4 dps
15: Dwarf FB: 303.3 dps
16: Hate Monster: 301.9
17: Human Exploiter: 301.2 dps
18: Drow DOS: 297.3
19: Awesomobot: 294.3 dps
20: Tiny Terror: 293.3 dps
21: Tempest/Kensai/Wizard: 283.3 dps
22: Dwarf Stalwart: 281.9
23: Hurtlocker: 281.7
24: Valenar Crusader: 281.3
25: WF Crit rage tempest: 272.6 dps
26: Dwarf CR Barb: 241.2
27: Falseto: 231.6
28: WF Acrobat: 228.0
29: Axesinger: 224.6
30: WF Monk: 195.8


Trash

1: Halfling Ravager: 588.3 dps
2: Halfling Despoiler: 568.9 dps
3: Tiny Terror: 517.8 dps
4: Hurtlocker: 512.7
5: WF Egomaniac: 508.9 dps
6: Awesomobot: 497.4 dps
7: WF Monster: 496.7 dps
8: WF TKFB: 494.1
9: WF Kensai : 484.6 dps
10: WF Archon : 484.0 dps
11: WF Tempest KOTC :467.7 dps
12: Human Exploiter: 462.4 dps
13: Drow KOTC : 460.5 dps
14: WF Colossus : 460.2 dps
15: WF FB: 451.1 dps
16: Hate Monster: 443.8
17: WF Crit rage tempest: 435.4 dps
18: Dwarf Tempest FB: 432.4 dps
19: WF KOTC: 429.6 dps
20: Dwarf Kensai: 427.0
21: Tempest/Kensai/Wizard: 419.9 dps
22: Valenar Crusader: 418.8
23: Drow DOS: 417.2
24: Dwarf FB: 404.1 dps
25: Falseto: 377.0
26: Dwarf Stalwart: 374
27: WF Monk: 343 dps
28: Dwarf CR Barb: 332.3
29: WF Acrobat: 314.7 dps
30: Axesinger: 308.3

I present the first of hopefully many DPS showdowns:

Contestants for round 1:
WF Monster (Kensai 12 / Tempest 6 / Monk 2 TWF Khopesh)
WF Archon (Kensai 12 / Frenzied Berzerker 6 / Rogue 2 THF Falchion)
WF Frenzied Berzerker (20 Frenzied Berzerker THF Greataxe)
Halfling Ravager (Rogue 13 / Tempest 6 / Fighter 1 TWF Khopesh)
Halfling Despoiler (Rogue 7 / Frenzied Berzerker 7 / Tempest 6 TWF Khopesh)

To hit calculations:
20 BAB +5 weapon +8 bard songs +2 recitation +2 tumbleweed = +37 base

Monster: 37 +21 str +2 focus +2 kensai - 8 PA -2 dual wielding = 52
Archon: 37 +24 str +2 focus +2 kensai -10 PA = 55
FB: 37 + 26 str - 11 PA = 52
Despoiler: 37 + 18 str + 1 halfling - 7 PA = 49
Ravager: 37 + 14 str + 1 halfling - 5 PA = 47

Buffs used:
Bard Songs, Prayer, Double madstone, Rage spell. (and rams might for ranger splashes)

Assumptions:
-All builds have access to +4 tomes, madstone boots, tumbleweeds and mineral 2 weapons.
-THFs use twitch attack rates (138 swings per minute) and suffer -4 to hit moving penalties
-Haste boost IV is counted as a +20% overall attack rate increase (increases tempest TWF from 114 to 137, THF from 138 to 166)
-Haste boost III is counted as a +16% overall attack rate increase (increases tempest TWF from 114 to 132)

NOTE: it is likely that the Kensai builds (Archon and Monster) will have enough haste boosts for all parts... The Despoiler and Ravager may not. (adjust your oppinions accordingly )

The Contest:
1) Portal DPS - you lilkely spend more time hitting portals then anything else.
-100% Fortification, DR 10/-, immune to elemental, slicing and lawful damage.
-Worth 40% of total score
2) Harry DPS - you likely also spend alot of time hitting this guy.
75% fortification, immune to elemental damage.
-Worth 40% of total score
3) Trash DPS - By far the least amount of time spent here.
Full dps for part 2 with all elemental/sneak attack damage included.
- worth 20% of total score


Portals

1: WF Archon at 297.7 dps
2: WF FB at 296.8 dps
3: WF Monster at 242.9 dps
4: Halfling Depspoiler at 221.5 dps
5: Halfling Ravager at 177.9 dps

Harry

1: WF Archon at 367.2 dps
2: WF FB at 354.9 dps
3: Halfling Despoiler at 338.8 dps
4: WF Monster at 338.0 dps
5: Halfling Ravager at 312.0 dps

Trash

1: Halfling Ravager at 588.3 dps
2: Halfling Despoiler at 568.9 dps
3: WF Monster at 496.7 dps
4: WF Archon at 484.0 dps
5: WF FB at 451.1 dps


Total Scores:
1) Archon: 297.7*40% + 367.2*40% + 484.0*20% = 362.76
2) WF FB: 296.8*40% + 354.9*40% +451.1*20% = 350.9
3) Despoiler:221.5*40% + 338.8*40% + 568.9*20% = 337.9
4) Monster:242.9*40% + 338*40% + 496.7*20% = 331.7
5) Ravager: 177.9*40% + 312*40% + 588.3*20% = 313.62


Link to the numbers

Feel free to submit a build (or link to a build) you would like to see for round 2
(1 spot definatly reserved for a ranger.)

[rimble]

Won't a pure Paladin Knight of the Chalice do horribly naughty and invasive things to those Evil Outsiders...? An additional 7d6 per attack I think.

Kinda harder to chart out though, with the Smites and Exalted Smite and so on.

[Cashiry]

Lvl 20 Paladin KotC TWF khopesh user will destroy the shroud...

[Yargore]

Lvl 20 Paladin KotC TWF khopesh user will destroy the shroud...

Not if you include the portals.

[cforce]

Is the WF Frenzied Berserker counting full glancing Blow damage, including 100% 6d6 Vicious procs on Glancing Blows? I'd expect that one to be a lot higher if you're counting twitch-attacking with THF...

I'd also guess that WF FB 18/Fighter 2 has stronger Boosted DPS than the pure FB 20.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

What's the exact percentage on the glancing blows?
Ie base damage *0,X
change to proc = X%
+Y
+F
+U

Etc.
How much does the feats, enhancements, etc increase the proc rate?

[rimble]

The Rangers should cheat and take FE: Construct and FE: Evil Outsider...or is that assumed?

[Absolute-Omniscience]

The Rangers should cheat and take FE: Construct and FE: Evil Outsider...or is that assumed?

What's cheating with that? :P
Every decent ranger has FE: EO and FE: Constructs

[Monkey_Archer]

The formula for glancing blow damage (forget where i found it) is:

(Base damage + Bonus damage) / BAB Divisor

Base damage = your total damage
Bonus damage = 10 for THF, 20 for ITHF, 30 for GTHF, (and i assumed 40 for barbarian capstone, but no guarantees there)
BAB divisor = 5 for BAB1-10, 4 for BAB 11-15 and 3 for BAB 16+

so for the archon its is: (87 + 30) / 3
for the FB its: (86.5 + 40) / 3


All FB vicious damage occurs on 100% of glancing blows.
Archon uses 20% chance to proc other effects
FB uses 30% chance to proc other effects
(not completely sure the actual numbers here but i think this is close enough)

Since both use twitch attacking they are getting glancing blows every other attack (with -4 to hit while moving)

[Monkey_Archer]

The Rangers should cheat and take FE: Construct and FE: Evil Outsider...or is that assumed?

Yes ranger splashes include full FE damage for EO and Construct....

in fact its also included in "Trash" dps, which may or may not be accurate depending on what you pull for part 2

[Absolute-Omniscience]

The formula for glancing blow damage (forget where i found it) is:

(Base damage + Bonus damage) / BAB Divisor

Base damage = your total damage
Bonus damage = 10 for THF, 20 for ITHF, 30 for GTHF, (and i assumed 40 for barbarian capstone, but no guarantees there)
BAB divisor = 5 for BAB1-10, 4 for BAB 11-15 and 3 for BAB 16+

so for the archon its is: (87 + 30) / 3
for the FB its: (86.5 + 40) / 3


All FB vicious damage occurs on 100% of glancing blows.
Archon uses 20% chance to proc other effects
FB uses 30% chance to proc other effects
(not completely sure the actual numbers here but i think this is close enough)

Since both use twitch attacking they are getting glancing blows every other attack (with -4 to hit while moving)

Currently a +50 damage yields ~25 on glancing. So that makes me believe the calculation is different. If it were like you say +50 damage would yield (on a GS, greatsword)
(60,5+30)/3=30. Not 25.

I might recall wrong, but this is what I remember from my gimped THF fighter.

EDIT: Can anyone link a screeshot of a 40+ damage glancing blow (in pure damage). That shouldn't be uncommon for a pure barbarian if that calculation is the right one.
(Not trying to be smug, just want an accurate glancing blow calculation in my calculator)

[Thanimal]

Might as well try Impaqt's almost-a-joke ultra-DPS build: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=192698

[rimble]

Feel free to submit a build (or link to a build) you would like to see for round 2
(1 spot definatly reserved for a ranger.)

Paladin 20, KOTC (+7d6 on Harry, but low Portal damage)
Ranger 20, Tempest (can max FE damage and an extra attack pull them up?)
Barbarian 18+, TWF Frenzied Berserker (masochistic self-damage, but lots of pain output?)

[Monkey_Archer]

Currently a +50 damage yields ~25 on glancing. So that makes me believe the calculation is different. If it were like you say +50 damage would yield (on a GS, greatsword)
(60,5+30)/3=30. Not 25.

I might recall wrong, but this is what I remember from my gimped THF fighter.

I tested the formula in game with my half-geared archon (12/2/2)

Unbuffed with falchion hes sitting at +46 damage +7 Falchion = 53

was getting about 19-21 damage glancing blows... or 25-27 with a DP clicky (aritficial BAB 16)

Using the formula
(53 + 30) / 4 = 20.75
(53 + 30) / 3 = 27.666

The second formula does yeild a slighty higher then in game testing did... but i concluded its the most accurate guess at the actual formula i have so far.


An alternative formula might be using a multiplier instead of a divisor... (maybe 0.3 for BAB 16 and 0.25 for BAB 11) in which case the first would still be correct (as in game testing concluded)

[Monkey_Archer]

Paladin 20, KOTC (+7d6 on Harry, but low Portal damage)
Ranger 20, Tempest (can max FE damage and an extra attack pull them up?)
Barbarian 18+, TWF Frenzied Berserker (masochistic self-damage, but lots of pain output?)

Round 2:

#1 Pure KOTC (debating on drow rapier or human khopesh )
#2 Ranger (maybe and exploiter style 18/1/1)
#3 TWF Barb
#4 <undecided>
#5 <undecided>

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I tested the formula in game with my half-geared archon (12/2/2)

Unbuffed with falchion hes sitting at +46 damage +7 Falchion = 53

was getting about 19-21 damage glancing blows... or 25-27 with a DP clicky (aritficial BAB 16)

Using the formula
(53 + 30) / 4 = 20.75
(53 + 30) / 3 = 27.666

The second formula does yeild a slighty higher then in game testing did... but i concluded its the most accurate guess at the actual formula i have so far.


An alternative formula might be using a multiplier instead of a divisor... (maybe 0.3 for BAB 16 and 0.25 for BAB 11) in which case the first would still be correct (as in game testing concluded)

Alright, thanks.
Have you or anyone else tested if barb capstone yields "+40"?

[KKDragonLord]

How you guys manage to do these pretty graphs with so many variables?

Sign my pally up plz: Zweihaender, Paladin 20

30str unbuffed (32 with +4 tome)
WF THF Greensteel Greatsword MinIII
Divine sacrifice III +9d6 radiant every 6 secs, +1 crit threat range and multiplier
Divine Favor
Zeal
KotC III (bonus damage also procs on glacing blows)
Bloodstone
12 Exalted Smite evils IV,+1 every 90 secs (portals take smite damage too, dont forget to multiply crits on trash and on Harry, i get around 434 base dmg on some of those)
2m24s Bladesworn Transformation
Divine might II (with +4 Cha tome)
Count madstone (dont have it yet but will get it eventually)
Warforged Great Weapon Enhancements III
Warforged PA I
+1 to hit wit Greatsword
+2 to hit from ethereal gloves

Edit: Btw i intend to use the Sword of Shadow on trash mobs to improve my smites (if i ever manage to lay my hands on it),
Dont count smites for trash on part 4 and 5 though (except for three on p5 i save most of those for Harry)

[Faethe]

For the human dual-khopesh wielding KotCIII, what about use of Div Sac II [which I recognize not every pally uses but would increase the damage by 7d6 every couple of seconds]?

Does that elevate the portal damage to 'moderate' from 'low', or does it not make enough of a difference in this exercise?

Just wondering

[Monkey_Archer]

Alright, thanks.
Have you or anyone else tested if barb capstone yields "+40"?

No, but it seems the logical next step.

[Monkey_Archer]

How you guys manage to do these pretty graphs with so many variables?

Link to the numbers is in the OP...Its my most recent dps calculator i put together.
its read only, but if there is enough interest i might consider allowing ppl to download it