sigh

[wamjratl1]

lvl 16, WF something or other and some random flesh-types. Quest unimportant.

Group gets split up, health bars are dropping but each sub-group manages to eliminate their respective groups of mobs and catch their breath. "Everybody heal up" someone says. More than one voice responds / types "I wish I could..."

Seriously?

Come on people... Look, we don't all have oodles of plat, raid gear, greensteel, blah blah blah. We can't all be expected to. But I think that it is a REASONABLE expectation for a group of capped or near-capped characters to have AT LEAST some self-healing capabilities / supplies on them when joining a group.

If you find yourself low on plat, do some loot runs in an area you know well and can survive in. Even if it's below your level. Or join an LFM for tapd runs, or any explorer runs, etc. They'll be fast and easy plat. Hell if the group in question had listened and followed, we could have gotten every chest in the Orchard (which will get you a few thousand plat on a bad day) and could have bought supplies with that cash.

Hell, I'm a nice guy. Tell me "hey dude, I'm a little low on plat, can I borrow some pots..." and I may have a few to spare you. There are many richer and more generous than me.

Bottom line: we're not all uber. We're not all loaded. We're not all uber-loaded. But after level 6 or so I think your main concern should be having enough supplies to at least try to keep yourself alive. I don't know every quest in the game. I'm not saying I never die (lol), but I cannot imagine going into a quest at any level with no way of healing myself during or between fights.




And now I must apologize to Medikk (sp?) and any other clerics out there who feel burdened by some of our population (myself included). If you would like a donation for clericy-type stuff, please do not hesitate to ask for a reimbursement after your next run with me. I'm not loaded but certainly want to help out.

[Samadhi]

1 shroud run = enough plat from selling junk alone for a stack of CSW pots. Hell, the run I did on Sat I think I grossed enough for 4 stacks and change. I don't see how it is possible to be too broke for pots at cap

[Wezlin]

1 shroud run = enough plat from selling junk alone for a stack of CSW pots. Hell, the run I did on Sat I think I grossed enough for 4 stacks and change. I don't see how it is possible to be too broke for pots at cap

Unfortunately too many people out there would rather keep their shroud plat and let others spend money keeping them alive instead.

[wamjratl1]

Unfortunately too many people out there would rather keep their shroud plat and let others spend money keeping them alive instead.

I guess you're right. Well these folks certainly had the opportunity to realize it's better to have some pots on you than not. Nice folks, too, which is why I was shocked several had no pots, scrolls, nothin'...

My first stop after any quest (or evening of questing) is at the pot-stop to get all my stacks back up to par levels.

[Sweets]

Sorry but the only part of this post I dissagree with is the part about earning a few thousand plat in the vale on a bad day.
If you cant loot the vale and earn at the very least 10 to 15 k plat on two runs then you are not only not urber ,but your not very good. I dont really mean to trash on anyone but if your level capped and have little to no plat then how in the heii did you ever get to level 16?

I have 2 capped clerics and they are my richest toons. The excuse about buying scrolls or pots is a poor one. I buy all my own stuff but still seem to have plenty of plat at the end of the day.

The op does have it right , if you are broke then either learn to loot or trade. Going into a raid or even a small quest without the right gear or supplies is the players problem and not the clerics. Come prepared or dont join. Some of these peps I'm sure that the op is talking about should be looting instead of raiding.

Just my 2 cents because I'm booooooooored.

[Samadhi]

Just my 2 cents because I'm booooooooored.

/signed.

and somewhat on the same note of lazy folks; quite amusing shroud run the other day. One of my guildies complained over voicechat about how several people weren't running water. I told him, also over VC, not to bother complaining and just get their names written down. By the time I made it in to get my own water they had sprung into action

[Sweets]

/signed.

and somewhat on the same note of lazy folks; quite amusing shroud run the other day. One of my guildies complained over voicechat about how several people weren't running water. I told him, also over VC, not to bother complaining and just get their names written down. By the time I made it in to get my own water they had sprung into action

nice / lol

[wamjratl1]

Sorry but the only part of this post I dissagree with is the part about earning a few thousand plat in the vale on a bad day. Ya i was being conservative.
If you cant loot the vale and earn at the very least 10 to 15 k plat on two runs then you are not only not urber ,but your not very good. I dont really mean to trash on anyone but if your level capped and have little to no plat then how in the heii did you ever get to level 16? Preach it.

I have 2 capped clerics and they are my richest toons. The excuse about buying scrolls or pots is a poor one. I buy all my own stuff but still seem to have plenty of plat at the end of the day.

The op does have it right , if you are broke then either learn to loot or trade. Going into a raid or even a small quest without the right gear or supplies is the players problem and not the clerics. Come prepared or dont join. Some of these peps I'm sure that the op is talking about should be looting instead of raiding.

Just my 2 cents because I'm booooooooored. Also bored.

/signed.

and somewhat on the same note of lazy folks; quite amusing shroud run the other day. One of my guildies complained over voicechat about how several people weren't running water. I told him, also over VC, not to bother complaining and just get their names written down. By the time I made it in to get my own water they had sprung into action awesome

Well Sam, I will say that I at least try to run water. I seem to usually get to the fountain just as someone has purified it (but that's cuz I am HEALING MYSELF from the blades along the way). I guess I do open the door when someone needs puzzle help. Does that count?

[Arnya]

Recently started a 28 point ranger to get 1750 with on a new server. This was a slow one - 4 weeks to level 15.

Never went without 3 CLW wands and a stack of the starter potions (they stack up fast if you bother to pick em up) and by level 5 I was onto CMW wands.

By the GH I was running with 100CSW pots and 3 CMW wands. They are slow but also a LOT cheaper than CSW.

This is on a character that had nothing to my name - I also had to buy a few weapons on the way up. Not just trinkets either, I bought two finessable wounders and a stack of taps off the AH among other things....

Moral of the story is that it doesn't take capped characters to earn money - know what to sell where, collect the right collectables and stop dying and spending all your cash on repairs - healing is cheaper and without the permanent damage!!

[Whippy]

I've always been one to say 'bring pots' and it still amazes me, 3 years on, that people don't. People who've played this game for years! All my toons carry CSW pots, wands, even the ones who can use heal scrolls.

The OP is right, there are people out there who are generous. If you are short a few pots, ask, i'll happily hand you what I have on me to spare. Same with most of the folks I know.

[Leyoni]

I probably shouldn't contribute to this thread. It will only end up getting me in trouble.

I had a very good experience on Ghallanda a few days back. We were doing some runs in the Vale for ingredients. I had transferred nearly all of my gold to one character in the ambitious effort to acquire the ingredients needed for a greensteel weapon. Buying stuff on the AH is expensive.

The group mentioned that it wanted to go w/o a cleric/bard/healer. I said that I was low on gold. One of the group's members bought two stacks of pots for me. Not only that, but they passed on ingredients so that I had doubles on several Shavarath stones.

I really do appreciate the kindness. And, it does show that players only need speak up. There are some, at least, on our server who are generous towards others. Because of this one person's generosity I was able to acquire all of the ingredients for a greensteel dwarven axe for my dwarf barbarian/fighter/ranger. If Therindal gets into a Shroud group tomorrow I'll be able to complete the Tier III recipe (if I get a second Shard) for the full Mineral II weapon.

I still find myself sacrificing a lot in the way of potions and wands in order to accumulate my gold in one spot. With 3 characters all needing to craft it is a big effort to get enough ingredients.

Nevertheless, the value of generosity and importance of speaking up cannot be overstated. In the end the entire group benefits.

So, if anyone finds themselves in a situation like mine where they really have no resources do not be a drain on the group. I spoke up, volunteered to drop group if it was an issue, and had a great experience as a result.

[Daerius of the Blessed Blades]

I've always been one to say 'bring pots' and it still amazes me, 3 years on, that people don't. People who've played this game for years! All my toons carry CSW pots, wands, even the ones who can use heal scrolls.

The OP is right, there are people out there who are generous. If you are short a few pots, ask, I'll happily hand you what I have on me to spare. Same with most of the folks I know.

I love those characters that are constantly asking my cleric 'can I get a lesser restore?' I never hold back, but I always tell them 'You know they sell potions for that ... and they're cheap, too!' If they're a raging barbarian, have madstone, yeah...that's perhaps different. But in Delera's, there's no excuse.

I am constantly amazed, as Wam posted initially, at the number of people that managed to drag themselves to 16th level with no understanding of the basic requirements to be even remotely self sufficient. Lesser restore pots, remove curse, remove disease, cure serious pots, wands if you can use 'em...every one should have a stack in their backpacks. It's just common sense, and I guess that's lacking.

(Now watch, the next time I group with one of you I will find that I ran out of one of the above...I'll never hear the end of *that*...)

[Draclaud]

So, let me get this right. Expecting a 600hp raged barbarian to "pot himself up" at the tune of probably 150 pots or so is "the right thing"? If the the LFM said BYOH then ya sure, but with a healer in the group? Really?

[Wezlin]

So, let me get this right. Expecting a 600hp raged barbarian to "pot himself up" at the tune of probably 150 pots or so is "the right thing"? If the the LFM said BYOH then ya sure, but with a healer in the group? Really?

yeah.... the barb should have the pots to do so, you can never guarantee that the cleric is going to be any good or even if he will be in the same place as you. Having a cleric in your party is no excuse for you coming unprepared.

A cleric will definitely save you some pots on a barbarian, but its no excuse for you to not drink them.

[Draclaud]

yeah.... the barb should have the pots to do so, you can never guarantee that the cleric is going to be any good or even if he will be in the same place as you. Having a cleric in your party is no excuse for you coming unprepared.

A cleric will definitely save you some pots on a barbarian, but its no excuse for you to not drink them.

OK, then so as a barbarian I should expect the cleric to do all the mele too right? After all he's got a weapon right? Really fellas what is wrong with helping each other instead of blasting people for not being "self sufficiant enough for you"? I'd NEVER sit and watch a barb suck down pots if I have mana. NEVER. That's just cruel.

[Wezlin]

OK, then so as a barbarian I should expect the cleric to do all the mele too right? After all he's got a weapon right? Really fellas what is wrong with helping each other instead of blasting people for not being "self sufficiant enough for you"? I'd NEVER sit and watch a barb suck down pots if I have mana. NEVER. That's just cruel.

Nobody would sit there and watch a barb suck down pots on a cleric, but that is no excuse for you not coming prepared. Nothing in this thread implies that a cleric shouldn't heal, it just says that people should always come prepared. Pots aren't expensive, just go buy them.

[Draclaud]

Nobody would sit there and watch a barb suck down pots on a cleric, but that is no excuse for you not coming prepared. Nothing in this thread implies that a cleric shouldn't heal, it just says that people should always come prepared. Pots aren't expensive, just go buy them.

If you join a LFM that says BYOH, then yes. If you don't have a cleric yes. If the cleric is out of mana ok. But seriously why all the hate? Just smile, be helpful and make gentle suggestions. If all else fails carry their stone to the shrine but all this negativity makes me wonder if I stumbled on the Kyber forum.

[Burtle]

my habit, bring pots for myself...at least 50 rmv curse, disease, paralysis, fear, Resto pots for stat damage at lvl 2 on up..(increasing by lvl)....

If I'm on my barb(wf) I bring scrolls/wands for the caster....(if plat is avail to me..if not I always "steal" from "uncle capped")...if I'm on my caster I always have no less than 50 csw pots..and about 200 cmw pots...(not enuff hp to justify 200 csw pots) I also farmed enuff of those low lvl bracers from korthos to have Aid clickies...

Since I have never really been one to rely on UMD on a caster I always tend to bring a few heal scrolls on my capped...

but to be honest there are times I forgot to stock up or bring enuff for myself..let alone anyone else..but that is rare...

[Daerius of the Blessed Blades]

Nobody would sit there and watch a barb suck down pots on a cleric, but that is no excuse for you not coming prepared. Nothing in this thread implies that a cleric shouldn't heal, it just says that people should always come prepared. Pots aren't expensive, just go buy them.

Precisely! My barb absorbs his share of heals from the cleric (some would say MORE than his share...), but to stand there and let myself die and risk a wipe because the cleric ran out of mana, was under the effect of a quell's intercession, etc is just weak.

No, drinking pots is not the answer when you are down hundreds of hp's - its not only time consuming, its taking away from the DPS that's my role. But be prepared for it....

And, back on the original post, there is no excuse for any 16th level character to not have the funds to do so.

[lifestaker]

If you join a LFM that says BYOH, then yes. If you don't have a cleric yes. If the cleric is out of mana ok. But seriously why all the hate? Just smile, be helpful and make gentle suggestions. If all else fails carry their stone to the shrine but all this negativity makes me wonder if I stumbled on the Kyber forum.

this is Khyber-2, didn't you get the memo?