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[Giselle]

This is why I really don't play my clerics in pugs much. They're both spec'd to be healers, and not battle clerics, but there *is* a difference between healer and babysitter.

I've seen people with barely any health missing scream for full heals, as if they can't go on without a full health bar. I've had people in my groups walk right past a shrine at half health. C'mon, that doesn't even cost you anything!

When I am in a pug, tho, I do enjoy saying something to the effect of, "Boy, I sure hope you guys have pots. I'm just a really lousy cleric."

Also, why do people ask for lesser restores? THEY COME IN A POTION FORM!

[Giselle]

this is Khyber-2, didn't you get the memo?

Oh, and we're totally aspiring for Khyber to be referred to as Ghallanda-2.

[Ryd16]

This is why I really don't play my clerics in pugs much. They're both spec'd to be healers, and not battle clerics, but there *is* a difference between healer and babysitter.

I've seen people with barely any health missing scream for full heals, as if they can't go on without a full health bar. I've had people in my groups walk right past a shrine at half health. C'mon, that doesn't even cost you anything!

When I am in a pug, tho, I do enjoy saying something to the effect of, "Boy, I sure hope you guys have pots. I'm just a really lousy cleric."

Also, why do people ask for lesser restores? THEY COME IN A POTION FORM!

You know, thank God we're in the same guild and I don't "pug" with you or i might think that you may be talking about me......

And yes, I'm the same bastard that whenever i'm NOT playing my caster.....nearly scream for haste all the time

[Mindspat]

Sorry but the only part of this post I dissagree with is the part about earning a few thousand plat in the vale on a bad day.
If you cant loot the vale and earn at the very least 10 to 15 k plat on two runs then you are not only not urber ,but your not very good. I dont really mean to trash on anyone but if your level capped and have little to no plat then how in the heii did you ever get to level 16?

I have 2 capped clerics and they are my richest toons. The excuse about buying scrolls or pots is a poor one. I buy all my own stuff but still seem to have plenty of plat at the end of the day.

The op does have it right , if you are broke then either learn to loot or trade. Going into a raid or even a small quest without the right gear or supplies is the players problem and not the clerics. Come prepared or dont join. Some of these peps I'm sure that the op is talking about should be looting instead of raiding.

Just my 2 cents because I'm booooooooored.

Sweets, you just convinced me to roll up another Cleric. Hell, I enjoy playing the one I have so why not make a second!

And yes, many of you, who probably don't even know how to log into the forums to read our rants, suck. Some of you who don't even read any of these posts suck something fierce. If you can't aford to drink a potion you'll continue to not get a Heal from me unless by dumbluck you happen to be standing next to someone who knows how to play when I hit them and their fellow skilled players with a Mass Cure.

And for those who do read the forums and never carry potions, you also suck!

[Leyoni]

So, let me get this right. Expecting a 600hp raged barbarian to "pot himself up" at the tune of probably 150 pots or so is "the right thing"? If the the LFM said BYOH then ya sure, but with a healer in the group? Really?

I am coming more and more to the conclusion that it is the cleric's responsibility to make sure that party members survive the present encounter -- and that it is the party members' job to make sure they are ready for the next one.

If that means a 600 hp barbarian needing to chug potions for a while then that is what it means. More and more I am beginning to think that barbarians are just mana sponges to start with and that groups would be more effective without them. Sort of like it used to be with ranged rangers. A barbarian that doesn't care for themself is just making excuses.

I'm also starting to think that the "mass heals on me" is just as effective as the "haste on me" for bringing people together -- especially if you don't heal the ones that go off and don't heed the warning.

[Daerius of the Blessed Blades]

Oh, and we're totally aspiring for Khyber to be referred to as Ghallanda-2.

I heard a rumor that if you violate the Turbine EULA, you are subject to discipline, which may include temporary suspension, account cancellation, lifetime bans, or worse... being forced to play on Khyber.



At least that's what I heard, anyway...

[Sweets]

OK, then so as a barbarian I should expect the cleric to do all the mele too right? After all he's got a weapon right? Really fellas what is wrong with helping each other instead of blasting people for not being "self sufficiant enough for you"? I'd NEVER sit and watch a barb suck down pots if I have mana. NEVER. That's just cruel.

Well I would have to say that IF you have a cleric then you must be a mana waster.
Most people with these kind of comments never play clerics or have a poor understanding of what it takes to be considerd a good player now days.
No one ever said that a cleric shouldn't heal a barb. The op was only suggesting that you come prepared to quest and if you think that bringing your axe is all you need to be prepared then this post was for those like you.

Any tank without pots is like a cleric without scrolls. For the record there are not many quest out there that a good cleric can't solo without your axe. You can't say the same for most tanks. My clerics joining a party is a benefit and not my responsibility.

[Leyoni]

OK, then so as a barbarian I should expect the cleric to do all the mele too right? After all he's got a weapon right? Really fellas what is wrong with helping each other instead of blasting people for not being "self sufficiant enough for you"? I'd NEVER sit and watch a barb suck down pots if I have mana. NEVER. That's just cruel.

Well, a lot of people think that the cleric should do the melee too. That is why we have so many battle clerics running around.

The smoothest runs I've been in are the ones where the other players knew how to take care of themselves so that I COULD melee.

What is wrong with helping others? Nothing. That is different from those others being inconsiderate and not helping themselves. Charity begins at home. Be kind to yourself and you'll be kind to others.

But, if you are selfish and don't at least make an effort then expect to be unneeded.

As I posted just a moment ago, I'm beginning to think barbarians are just mana sponges anyways. If they can't at least make an effort then they'll end up riding in a pack while the others finish the quest.

[wamjratl1]

So, let me get this right. Expecting a 600hp raged barbarian to "pot himself up" at the tune of probably 150 pots or so is "the right thing"? If the the LFM said BYOH then ya sure, but with a healer in the group? Really?

Well now that's just silly. Sure, the cleric is often there for healing purposes. And fortunately, most of us probably have the luxury of running with clerics who never allow us to dip into our stack(s) of pots or wand charges. And Barbs with mega hp aren't often expected to heal themselves fully. But in the group I mentioned, no one seemed concerned about staying in the same area as the cleric, and then did not have even a single pot to get them through the next encounter. One character really did a great job killing stuff, but after getting beat on by 20 or so mobs, didn't have the hp left to make it to someone who could heal him. So ya if ur not gonna bother staying near the guy who was healing you, then you better BYOH. Especially in pugs, you can't alway be sure the healer is gonna be there for you.

I love those characters that are constantly asking my cleric 'can I get a lesser restore?' I never hold back, but I always tell them 'You know they sell potions for that ... and they're cheap, too!' If they're a raging barbarian, have madstone, yeah...that's perhaps different. But in Delera's, there's no excuse. I often find myself throwing lesser restores on people onall my toons - and i don't even have a cleric.

I am constantly amazed, as Wam that's Maveriq to you... posted initially, at the number of people that managed to drag themselves to 16th level with no understanding of the basic requirements to be even remotely self sufficient. Lesser restore pots, remove curse, remove disease, cure mod pots, wands if you can use 'em...every one should have a stack in their backpacks. It's just common sense, and I guess that's lacking. So true. I learned this stuff early on. Well before I was even near cap.

(Now watch, the next time I group with one of you I will find that I ran out of one of the above...I'll never hear the end of *that*...)

[Draclaud]

Well I would have to say that IF you have a cleric then you must be a mana waster.
Most people with these kind of comments never play clerics or have a poor understanding of what it takes to be considerd a good player now days.
No one ever said that a cleric shouldn't heal a barb. The op was only suggesting that you come prepared to quest and if you think that bringing your axe is all you need to be prepared then this post was for those like you.

Any tank without pots is like a cleric without scrolls. For the record there are not many quest out there that a good cleric can't solo without your axe. You can't say the same for most tanks. My clerics joining a party is a benefit and not my responsibility.

Wow, just wow. I guess we need a MOD to drop something fierce. People have so much hate built up they bust out the personal attacks and flamethrowers when people try to be nice. GAH! Please drop the mod so the fury has a more positive direction. Oh, and thanks for giving us all the "benefit" of grouping with your cleric...

[Stonebread]

When I am in a pug, tho, I do enjoy saying something to the effect of, "Boy, I sure hope you guys have pots. I'm just a really lousy cleric."

Heh. I often say "I don't play my cleric much, so try not to die too quickly." And I mean it. I don't play my cleric much at all because it's so risky.

On a related note, I wish arcanes would always blur the party. About 1/3rd of the PUGs I'm in, the arcanes just blur themselves. (No, please, don't blur the barbarian, save those 15 spell points for another Scorching Ray. It's so awesome!)

Blur is such a cost effective damage mitigator it should be automatic. And Stoneskin can change a quest from hard to easy.

Funny how running your cleric totally changes your focus.

[Giselle]

Heh. I often say "I don't play my cleric much, so try not to die too quickly." And I mean it. I don't play my cleric much at all because it's so risky.

On a related note, I wish arcanes would always blur the party. About 1/3rd of the PUGs I'm in, the arcanes just blur themselves. (No, please, don't blur the barbarian, save those 15 spell points for another Scorching Ray. It's so awesome!)

Blur is such a cost effective damage mitigator it should be automatic. And Stoneskin can change a quest from hard to easy.

Funny how running your cleric totally changes your focus.

Amen to that! I think it would really be beneficial if everyone rolled up a cleric. Kind of a "walk a mile in his/her shoes" kinda thing, y'know?

[Lorz]

Sweets im with ya on this.

And agree my two clerics make bank.
In fact i have a 3rd i plan to roll up if we ever get more toon spots.!!!!

I always believe in carrying supplies needed by my toons. All my toons carry pots to cover most everything. The toons that carry the least pots would be the clerics but then again...they carry a lot more scrolls so it more than even outs.

Anyways...its not new but does seem to be getting worse...folks seem not to know that they should plan on being as self-sufficient as possible.

I figure some is new players and some is just lazy people. I can understand new players but the others....well they no get the heals!

[Whippy]

Amen to that! I think it would really be beneficial if everyone rolled up a cleric. Kind of a "walk a mile in his/her shoes" kinda thing, y'know?

Lol i've been saying for years that everyone should play a cleric, then they will understand!

And to the others... of course we will heal your barb with our mana, i'm not gonna stand next to you and watch u drink 30 pots, even if I'm out of mana I'm gonna use a heal scroll or 2 (I'll also do this with my bard or sorcs, or wave a wand on u with ranger, or lay on hands with pali). But thats not the point, the OP was talking about the ability to heal up when you are out of range of the cleric... when you got split up or are round the corner or just a little bit too far away... anyone who doesn't bring any pots for that kind of situation, well its just silly

We've all run out of a pot now and again (logged off right after a quest and forgotten to stock up next time you are on for example), whether it be csw, curse, disease, poison or whatever... but all my characters carry the full array of things to fix themselves with. Love your clerics, come prepared, and they will love you!!!

[ChaelaAnne]

This is why I really don't play my clerics in pugs much. They're both spec'd to be healers, and not battle clerics, but there *is* a difference between healer and babysitter.

I've seen people with barely any health missing scream for full heals, as if they can't go on without a full health bar. I've had people in my groups walk right past a shrine at half health. C'mon, that doesn't even cost you anything!

When I am in a pug, tho, I do enjoy saying something to the effect of, "Boy, I sure hope you guys have pots. I'm just a really lousy cleric."

Also, why do people ask for lesser restores? THEY COME IN A POTION FORM!

In all fairness, a full heal will do more then just heal you in certain circumstances (although I'm sure I know who you mean ) and I know on toons that aren't dependant on mana, if I have a significant amount of time on buffs I will skip shrines to save the casters some mana. Then again, I do pot heal in that circumstance.

I generally carry enough wands and pots to go from a raise dead to full health between 4 and 7 times on ALL my toons. You never know when a cleric will roll a freak one and be dead half the quest. There is absolutely no reason that toons shouldn't be able to self heal in a pinch at lvl 16, unless they forgot to stock up. (Which happens to everyone). EVEN BARBS.

[wamjratl1]

Thanks for the replies all. Glad to see that most agree. Also, thanks for not pointing out that this thread was started by someone whose toons should be named Squishy Squisherson.

[Sweets]

Wow, just wow. I guess we need a MOD to drop something fierce. People have so much hate built up they bust out the personal attacks and flamethrowers when people try to be nice. GAH! Please drop the mod so the fury has a more positive direction. Oh, and thanks for giving us all the "benefit" of grouping with your cleric...

Darc sry man I didn't mean for that to come out as an attack. I was only trying to defend the op. Not alot of people play clerics as it is. Just look at all the lfm anymore. They all have one thing in common, looking for a cleric lol.
Really didn't mean for my last post to be a personal attack but I can see how it looks .

[Sweets]

oops

[Sweets]

Wow, just wow. I guess we need a MOD to drop something fierce. People have so much hate built up they bust out the personal attacks and flamethrowers when people try to be nice. GAH! Please drop the mod so the fury has a more positive direction. Oh, and thanks for giving us all the "benefit" of grouping with your cleric...

Benefit my a$$ it should be considered a HONOR.

[Fenrisulven6]

Funny how running your cleric totally changes your focus.

Amen to that! I think it would really be beneficial if everyone rolled up a cleric. Kind of a "walk a mile in his/her shoes" kinda thing, y'know?

Yup. First thing I did after running my 1st Cleric was to outfit my other toons with Cursespews. They're a dime a dozen, and really help conserve mana.