Shroud Smackdown!

[Mhykke]

"There is no difference, that's not a pug either, especially if you already knew 50% of the group, but I guess that's why you left that little tidbit out."



then this whole post (snipped it abit, was so long) is wrong

What are you talking about, they're perfectly consistent.

[Visty]

What are you talking about, they're perfectly consistent.

well, either they are differant, then youre wrong, or there is no differance, then youre still wrong
take your pick

[Aspenor]

* Main Entry: 1ran·dom
* Pronunciation: \ˈran-dəm\
* Function: noun
* Etymology: Middle English, succession, surge, from Anglo-French randun, from Old French randir to run, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German rinnan to run — more at run
* Date: 1561

: a haphazard course

— at random : without definite aim, direction, rule, or method <subjects chosen at random>

The group was not even remotely random. Once you place criteria upon the group, it is no longer a random selection method.

[Yargore]

The group was not even remotely random. Once you place criteria upon the group, it is no longer a random selection method.

So a party looking for a tank is not a pug?

[Mhykke]

well, either they are differant, then youre wrong, or there is no differance, then youre still wrong
take your pick

I've already explained it:

1. LFM that says: "need cleric" or "need tank"

you don't know what you're getting


2. You're in a group of 6 people that you know, and put up LFM for the rest that says: "need tank with mineral 2 weapons" (along with other requirements we're ignoring for now)

You are gaining information of the people that are joining. The element of "pugging" is lost, as you are informed as to the experience and equipment of those joining.


Where's the inconsistency exactly?

[Yargore]

I understand those completely. You keep inserting the word "random", when you did anything but pick up random players.

Then there is no such thing as a random player.
Or I was correct when I said that you have to be blind and have Alzheimers to pug.

How can you honestly sit there and try to argue that the people you picked up were random? They were not. Not even close. It's laughable that you're trying to call handpicking people over the course of days, after laying out requirements for who could and could not come, interrogating people what they were bringing to the table, a "random" group.

lol, you talk about honesty, and say that we "handpicked" people. We took the first to apply within out criterias.
Calling that "handpicking" is questionable.

[Aspenor]

So a party looking for a tank is not a pug?

I said nothing about a PUG. PUG =! Random.

You may get a random TANK, but that does not make the party a PUG. It's absurdly rare that I join an actual, pure PUG. Even when I click on LFMs, more often than not it's a guild party wanting to open to others, or people that know each other looking for other players.

[Yargore]

I said nothing about a PUG. PUG =! Random.

Okok.

[TechNoFear]

Calling that "handpicking" is questionable.

So now you want to debate the meaning of 'handpicking'.

You rejected a clr because they did not have TWF...

[Visty]

Where's the inconsistency exactly?

in your words imo (also that tag code for your pony is so long, leave it away )

a pug just means that you pick up ppl via lfm no matter the restrictions
cause if you look for a tank, you also know what you get, someone with high ac and either intimi or alot of hate

they just made some more restrictions, but its still a pug

otherwise, if you set the lvlrange to 2-16 its not a pug anymore cause you put a resctriction on it and leave those lvl1s alone in the dust

[Aspenor]

Calling that "handpicking" is questionable.

Calling it a "random PUG" is questionable, also.

[Yargore]

So now you want to debate the meaning of 'handpicking'.

You rejected a clr because they did not have TWF...

No, I really don't want to do that.

We rejected a cleric because he didn't meet the criterias we had set.
No difference than rejecting a level 10 cleric for a level 16 group.

[Yargore]

Calling it a "random PUG" is questionable, also.

I called it a pug, because that's what it is.

[Aspenor]

I called it a pug, because that's what it is.

You also called it random, which it is not.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Calling it a "random PUG" is questionable, also.

Forgive me, has it beeen called a "random pug". If so, quote it.

[Yargore]

You are gaining information of the people that are joining. The element of "pugging" is lost, as you are informed as to the experience and equipment of those joining.

Then what is a pug exactly?

There is always restrictions on LFMs.

Just by putting level 15-16 in the LFM the element of pugging is lost to you.

[Aspenor]

The PLAYERS were random, the BUILDS were not random. a PUG consists of random PLAYERS not neccessarly random BUILDS.

quoted

[Yargore]

You also called it random, which it is not.

Nothing is truly random.


The grou pwas still a pug though.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

quoted

Exactly, read what I said. I said that the players are random and builds are not.
I did not say. "It was a random PUG".
Couldn't be clearer and more litteral than that, really.

[Aspenor]

In the end we had some replacements because some people could not make it, so the group was not max dps, but very close to.

Furthermore, I'd like to quote this from the OP. The nature of this statement makes it absurdly clear that this was no PUG. If people could not make it, there is obviously a planned run going on here. Picking up a few replacements from an LFM is not a PUG.