Shroud Smackdown!

[Borror0]

Europeans are a race now?
I knew I shouldn't have let my National Geographic subscription lapse.

The word 'racist' never made sense in the first place.

[Yargore]

I have to say seems absolute has quite the chip on his shoulder. IF you had been honest about this and up front i and others her would not be giving you any smack about this....but you come in and purposefully twist the truth. For that you get this:

NOBODY CARES. Its been done on slower servers with way more lag and with
real pugs.

Let us know when you can be honest about the situation.....maybe thats how you roll in Europe but we dont over here. A Pug does not get 5 days of planning. Yet they (absolute and Yag) both come on here and desperately try to defend their misdeeds.

NOBODY CARES.

You can't accept that your definition of a "DDO pug" isn't universal, can you?

Well, stay happy in your bubble.

[TechNoFear]

You can't accept that your definition of a "DDO pug" isn't universal, can you?

I wonder which definition is more common though?

So far your definition appears to have very limited support.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I wonder which definition is more common though?

So far your definition appears to have very limited support.

Well, limited here perhaps.
But I've given several links where our definition has been represented. (wikipedia for one)

[Visty]

Well, limited here perhaps.
But I've given several links where our definition has been represented. (wikipedia for one)

bah, wikipedia can be edited by evryone, you just changed it the way that it fits your definition, **** euros

[Mhykke]

Well, looks like I will have to explain why it wasn't a pug, using the definition you posted, after all.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Pick up group or "PUG", a group in a massively multiplayer online role-playing game which is composed of players who do not have any prior experience playing together

Not my definition, but your own that you posted: "composed of players who do not have any prior experience playing together".

Then you posted:

Me and Yar have had previous experiences with about half the group, I'd dare to say it's a PUG.

So right there you admit that you guys had experience with half the group. Not just 1 or 2 others, but half the group. That disqualifies you from "pug" status immediately, according to the criterion using your own definition.

But all of that is irrelevant. The entire point of the definition of people "that don't have previous experiences" with each other, is that the group is put together without knowing what others bring to the table. You guys put together the complete opposite of a pug, or a group with "no previous experience with each other". People here had to apply, and let you know exactly what they were bringing, and what kind of character (including enhancements and loot) they were bringing. You guys knew exactly what people were bringing to the table, down to the enhancements people took (asking about max damage songs), and not just weapons, but weapons people use in each hand.

I've never had a problem with you or Yargore on the forums, I think you've posted some good stuff and people have disagreed not b/c of the info you've posted, but b/c of the tone of your posts, and I think that's wrong for people to have done that. But here, you are in an indefensible position. It not only was not a pug, it was almost as far away from a "pug" as you could possibly get, other than being in an all guild group.

[Yargore]

bah, wikipedia can be edited by evryone, you just changed it the way that it fits your definition, **** euros

Guilty as charged.

Europeans are real bastards, especially the germans!

[TechNoFear]

Well, limited here perhaps.
But I've given several links where our definition has been represented. (wikipedia for one)

Your wiki link is not a definition but a disambiguation for the 'pug dog' page.

Your MMO Dictionary is a very poor source (it does not even have 'DPS' defined) and you failed to fully quote it, leaving out the 'using in game tools' etc.

Urban and geek dictionary both define it as a 'random' group.

http://geekdictionary.computing.net/define/pug
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pug

[Quikster]

First off, like I said before, nice job.

Second no matter how much you want it Y, European is not a race anymore than American is a race.

Third, our group does part 1 in about 4:15 beginning to end. Thats from when we start into the quest to when we zone into pt 2, and includes clearing the first group, running between portals etc. Thats 19.6 seconds per portal. So no your little group here does not have 100% more dps.

Third AO, despite the friendly little quips you share with my US brethren, do not for one second discount the dps lag experienced on these servers. In my very experienced opinion 10-12 min is not possible on Sarlona or Khyber due to lag. 13 may be possible but highly unlikely. Our group can produce a repeatable lag fest in pt 1 which basically stops the game for us, 3 outta 5 times we wipe once the game catches up. We couldnt even finish if we wanted to. This is repeatable, and we can produce this effect any time we want. Several times we have been very close to a 12 or 13 minute shroud only to have 2 full minutes of game stopping lag in pt 5. It has become so bad we have stopped using greensteels on our attempts at 13 min. Sadly to say this has improved the lag some.

I congratulate you on your group of dps'rs you have put together. But honestly, what of it? Anyone can put a group together of high dps'rs. If the final time wasnt the point of your thread I fail to see the significance here. Is it that you bested harry in 30 something seconds?

[Nyvn]

Very cool accomplishment with a PUG, of hand picked players that pre planned via forums.

[Yargore]

Your wiki link is not a definition but a disambiguation for the 'pug dog' page.

Your MMO Dictionary is a very poor source (it does not even have 'DPS' defined) and you failed to fully quote it, leaving out the 'using in game tools' etc.

Urban and geek dictionary both define it as a 'random' group.

http://geekdictionary.computing.net/define/pug
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pug

Yea, geek dictionary is very reliable.

PUG's almost allways consist of random Nub's, Ninja's and Emo's.

Urban dictionary supports our statements though.
Just because they were gathered over 5 days doesn't mean they weren't "random".

[Borror0]

Urban dictionary supports our statements though.

In before refutation.

[Mhykke]

Just because they were gathered over 5 days doesn't mean they weren't "random".

You are correct, the fact that they were gathered over 5 days doesn't mean they weren't random.

The fact that people had to apply, and you had to doublecheck what kind of builds they had, and what kind of weapons they were bringing, does mean they weren't random.


And in addition, may I add....after watching the video, the difference b/w the EU servers and the US servers in terms of lag is night and day. This is no small difference. There was absolutely no part 4 lag, none. On the US, if you had that much dps in group, you wouldn't have seen anyone else swinging, nor would you have seen the Pit Fiend's bar go down that smoothly, nor would any heals or anything else have gone through, and the game would have ground to a standstill. It's absurd how apparent the difference is with lag in between servers. Absurd.

[TechNoFear]

Yea, geek dictionary is very reliable.

It is part of 'Toms' web pages. Tom's Hardware has been an authority on hardware for well over a decade.

Seems reasonable to me.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

And in addition, may I add....after watching the video, the difference b/w the EU servers and the US servers in terms of lag is night and day. This is no small difference. There was absolutely no part 4 lag, none. On the US, if you had that much dps in group, you wouldn't have seen anyone else swinging, nor would you have seen the Pit Fiend's bar go down that smoothly, nor would any heals or anything else have gone through, and the game would have ground to a standstill. It's absurd how apparent the difference is with lag in between servers. Absurd.

QTF - I just watched (parts of) the video and that (lack of) lag is crazy. In part 4 we normally have to have somoene say over voicechat when harry is dead so we can all start running to the altar - sometimes the blue barriers are still up on some people's screens when someone reaches the portal to click it. Part 1, there's no way you can see everyone's weapons swing like that. Whatever Codemasters are doing with their servers to make them run that fast, I hope Turbine does the same over here.

Garth

[Quikster]

Nice vid though, lag free shroud, ahhhh one can only dream

[Borror0]

the difference b/w the EU servers and the US servers in terms of lag is night and day. This is no small difference.

Woah. You're not kidding.

[Visty]

Whatever Codemasters are doing with their servers to make them run that fast, I hope Turbine does the same over here.

Garth

turbine is doing that already
didnt you notice that alot of players leave due to the mod9 changes?
less players = less lag

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Third, our group does part 1 in about 4:15 beginning to end. Thats from when we start into the quest to when we zone into pt 2, and includes clearing the first group, running between portals etc. Thats 19.6 seconds per portal. So no your little group here does not have 100% more dps.

Using Spyderwolfs video posted on the Sarlona forums I counted the takedowns to ~20 seconds. I know it was not the best, nor the highest dps you can muster. But my point in that thread was that it could be improved by over 30% dps. And this proves my statement correct.

Third AO, despite the friendly little quips you share with my US brethren, do not for one second discount the dps lag experienced on these servers. In my very experienced opinion 10-12 min is not possible on Sarlona or Khyber due to lag. 13 may be possible but highly unlikely. Our group can produce a repeatable lag fest in pt 1 which basically stops the game for us, 3 outta 5 times we wipe once the game catches up. We couldnt even finish if we wanted to. This is repeatable, and we can produce this effect any time we want. Several times we have been very close to a 12 or 13 minute shroud only to have 2 full minutes of game stopping lag in pt 5. It has become so bad we have stopped using greensteels on our attempts at 13 min. Sadly to say this has improved the lag some.

Yes, I believe you. I was refering that it's possbile to achieve 10-12 on EU servers.

I congratulate you on your group of dps'rs you have put together. But honestly, what of it? Anyone can put a group together of high dps'rs. If the final time wasnt the point of your thread I fail to see the significance here. Is it that you bested harry in 30 something seconds?

Anyone can, but no one has.
(Well anyone that knows what's high dps really is that is)
And yea, the thing is that we broke him in 37 seconds.

[beelzebaba]

What does this prove? That the max Dps group can only tie the best time , even with the US team having bad server lag and lower DPS.

Maybe it means the players are weaker, or even worse, the leader? I mean if everyone is on a superior character and there is less lag(video proves that); It only leaves the player or the leaders incompetance to blame for only the tie?

I still cannot see the 11 to 12 minute completion that you said would easily be done with an EU group. Im sure you can get there in that lag free enviornment, but using the words "easily and PUG" show that your posts in our thread were actually meant to show somebody up by minimizing their achievements.

Seriously though... great effort