Shroud Smackdown!

[FluffyCalico]

Wrong. It wasn't. Today however we are doing a speed run aiming to get a new shroud record.

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You mean a new european record. You will never have the US record unless you do it with US servers.

Example no player that shoots behind college 3 point lines can have the best pro basketball 3 point % as the 3 point lines aren't in the same place. IE differnt conditions. We have the same thing with lag.

PS> Someone can hate every european they have met, talked with, traded texts with, and grouped with and not be a racist. Being a racist would be being sure you hate the ones you have never met based on the ones you have met.

[Yargore]

You knew their weapon spec, their level split, and the most important enhancements. You asked them for a specific fe and specific weapons. I would assume if I looked at that lfm you wouldnt want my ac build, you would want my max dps build. I could guess 90% of the enhancements and feats taken with the requirements you made, so you knew thier builds. It was not a pug. It may not have been a "hand picked" group that practiced together for weeks, but it was not a pug by the definition of anyplayer I have played with. Stop pretending, this was a group you two put together over the course of a week which had top notch dps, and skilled players. There is a big difference between your group, and a pug.

The most important enhancements? We knew that the bard was max damage speced, I don't understand why that would make it less of a pug.
It's like if you look for an intimi and when someone applies you ask for his intimi score, then you know enough about his build to deem the group a non-pug by your definition.

When you LFM in game you also know peoples levelsplit, and if you can see then visually you can guess alot about their builds.
We asked them for FE:EO, but we all know everyone have that already.

So because you could guess 90% of their enhancements and feats we knew their builds?

As I have explained a couple of times now, being able to guess their builds doesn't make it less of a pug. You can always guess peoples builds pretty accurate, you don't have to LFM on the forums to do that.
Just look at my previous examples, they show that your logic is highly flawed.


Yes, it had top notch DPS because we looked for high DPS builds.
Lets say you're doing a quest and need an intimi tank ,a cleric, a caster, a rogue with trapskills and another DPS.
Then you have very specific requirements, but that doesn't make it less of a pug.
What makes it a pug is that the people that fills the spots are random, and that you haven't played together before (as a group).
You don't seem to grasp the difference of a person and a build.

Yes, we had skilled players in out group, but we didn't know that before we started. The LFM said nothing about their skills and experience. We were lucky I guess (or it's just that the standard on EU is pretty high).

[Yargore]

PUG=pick up group anything else cant be a PUG no matter how you try to spin it yours wasnt a PUG,

It was a pick up group.

[TechNoFear]

You decided before you started it was a speed run according to the posters on the EU forums.

Or are the people invloved also misunderstanding what you ment?

Was a great fast run considering we only went for a speed run about 2 mins before we started, with not any definative things we should or should not have been doing, part2 got slowed down because there was no designated puller of the 4 bosses, wasted time there... part one could have been quicker after the first portal, (dps was good enough to split into 2 groups and take down 2 portals at a time) part 3 could have been done quicker if everyone knew how to do the puzzles without solvers.
4 and 5 was perfect, made up lost time in those.

Notice how he does not mention not looting would make the next run faster. Looting after part 5 (IMO) is the major diff between a 'fast' run and a 'speed' run.

I don't see why the time spent searching matters.

But because you only decide a few minutes before the run that is was a speed run, it was not really a speed run.

You can't have it both ways.

It was a pick up group.

Please read post 14 of this thread, created prior to your thread.

It clearly shows that this is not considered a PUG in these forums.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=194963

[Yargore]

I am sure they won't tell you this over there, but if you get a chance to read this - the first time a video was posted here those two flamed the thread until it had to be removed by the moderators. They said they could do better, but we would have to wait until they leveled some characters because they were done with the European servers and never going back. We told them the barrier to going further was lag to the point of disconnection, but they passed it off as "probably not that bad". Now that they've had a taste of it, it's back to the European servers they were never going back to.

You think it was because of the lag we returned to EU? That's completely false.

The main reason was actually that I wanted to play mod 9 with my well equiped monster instead of my pretty under-equiped Ravager.

I had a great time in US, but the difference of being poor and being rich was to big to go back to US. I had a 4-6 months break before I started on US...

Try rerolling on a new server, cap a few toons that you can't afford to equip. Roll new toons that you can't afford to buy potions for (rolling newtoons costs millions upon millions of gp) then return to your old pimped out account.
Then you will understand why we have stayed on EU.

[FluffyCalico]

You think it was because of the lag we returned to EU? That's completely false.

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That's the first true thing I have herd you say in a long time. Lag didn't have you go back. Being only average even when fully geared and being hated by everyone is why you went back.

PS> Take your forum posts with you

[Yargore]

Really a pug huh, just random people and wasnt preplanned speed run? had to actually give instuction for a speed run on the way you say?
Maybe you can explain the below as completely unplanned

Just look at the first sentances in the post.

Okay, so me and Yargore had a talk and we thought about doing a Shroud run that only specific builds with specific gear could join. To achieve close to maximum dps needed for a record time on part 4 and part 5

This will be done for fun, while we wait for mod 9.
We will not skip the chests for good completion time, but mearly kill the fiend incredibly fast while frapsing it..

See, it was planned to be a DPS heavy group, not a speed run.
The objective was record time on part 4 and 5, and we even stated that we were not going to skip chests for a good completion time.
We did however skip the chests, but that was a last minute call.


Why wouldn't it be a pug just because we had specific requirements? It happens all the time ingame.
Was it that we made the LFM on the forum that makes it a non-pug group?
Or was it that we made the LFM 5 days before we ran the quest?

[Yargore]

Pick Up Group

what part of 5 days planning could possibly be considered a Pick Up Group

Because we picked up random people to join or group?

Oh by the way they are rerunning the same group as soon as they are off timer. Guess that will call that one a PUG too.
Apparently going for an easy 11 min.

I wouldn't call it a pug this time. It's not random anymore, we didn't take random players this time.

[FluffyCalico]

We did however skip the chests, but that was a last minute call.


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Wow so there is 1 post from you all saying you got the chests and now you come out and admit that its a lie and that you did not get them? As least keep your story the same. Maybe you should have rehearsed what supposedly happened alittle better before posting.

[Uska]

Pick Up Group

what part of 5 days planning could possibly be considered a Pick Up Group

Oh by the way they are rerunning the same group as soon as they are off timer. Guess that will call that one a PUG too.
Apparently going for an easy 11 min.

This is one of the rare occasions where and I are agreeing on something isnt that nice I have a name for them its NaPUG(not a pick up group)

[Uska]

Yes, it was. I have explained it already.

ITS not a PUG no matter how you spin it how about you just keep this in fantasy land and the EU servers where it belongs

[Uska]

it Was A Pick Up Group.

Wrong Wrong Wrong

[Yargore]

Wow so there is 1 post from you all saying you got the chests and now you come out and admit that its a lie and that you did not get them? As least keep your story the same. Maybe you should have rehearsed what supposedly happened alittle better before posting.

I'm sorry, what are you talking about?

EDIT: When I said "skipped the chests" I meant "We didn't loot until after part 5". We still solved the puzzles for part 3 chests to loot later.

[Yargore]

ITS not a PUG no matter how you spin it how about you just keep this in fantasy land and the EU servers where it belongs

Care to explain why you deem it not to be a pug?

Pug = "pick up group", not "bad group"

[Yargore]

You decided before you started it was a speed run according to the posters on the EU forums.

It was a speed run. But not a well planned one. As he said, it was a last minute call to make it a speed run.
The LFM even said that we were going to loot (but we didn't, as we decided to speed it)

Notice how he does not mention not looting would make the next run faster. Looting after part 5 (IMO) is the major diff between a 'fast' run and a 'speed' run.

We didn't loot.
Are you really this slow?

I dunno how many times I have said this, but it doesn't seem to get through to you:
We did not plan to do a speed run, but in the last minute we decided to make it a speed run anyways.

But because you only decide a few minutes before the run that is was a speed run, it was not really a speed run.

You can't have it both ways.

It was a speed run, but a badly planned one.

Please read post 14 of this thread, created prior to your thread.

It clearly shows that this is not considered a PUG in these forums.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=194963

lol, no it doesn't.
All it shows is that for no apparent reason a random guy doesn't think that the OPs group is a random pug.

Dunno what makes that group not a pug.

[TechNoFear]

It was a speed run.

But you siad I was wrong for calling it one.

IMO this was a speed run

Wrong. It wasn't. Today however we are doing a speed run aiming to get a new shroud record.

We didn't loot.
Are you really this slow?

At no point have you stated that you did not loot, in fact your post says you were not going to.

Originally Posted by Lyrach
This will be done for fun, while we wait for mod 9.
We will not skip the chests for good completion time, but mearly kill the fiend incredibly fast while frapsing it.

A piece of misinformation you have only just been forced to correct.

I dunno how many times I have said this, but it doesn't seem to get through to you:
We did not plan to do a speed run, but in the last minute we decided to make it a speed run anyways.

Could you stop misquoting me or are you not able remember what I have posted?

They only planned to check the speed of part 4-5.

Just before starting they decided the whole run would be a (total) speed run.

Any group not consisting of only static guild members is a PUG in the EU.

lol, no it doesn't.
All it shows is that for no apparent reason a random guy doesn't think that the OPs group is a random pug.

So far that is 2 for your definition of PUG

Everybody else against.

Anyone who has a differing opinion to your opinion is a 'fail', 'slow','random or other derogatory term you favor today.

Dunno what makes that group not a pug.

That is the point, your definition means there are no PUGs.

Please give an example of a group that is NOT a PUG?

[Yargore]

PS> Someone can hate every european they have met, talked with, traded texts with, and grouped with and not be a racist.

Aye. I hope you don't suggest that I said otherwise.

[Mhykke]

I wouldn't call it a pug this time. It's not random anymore, we didn't take random players this time.

I just came back from the beach, and I feel nice so I won't write a lengthy response to your reply of my last post and make you look completely idiotic. Like I said, I'm feeling nice.

I will say this though, you need to look up what the word random means. I already posted a definition. You didn't take random players last time.

When something is random, there is no pattern/purpose/objective. Your group was not random last time. There was a specific pattern you had in selecting people. It was anything but random. Stop being either dishonest or plain thick-skulled. You know they weren't random. Now stop it. Enough of this.

[Yargore]

But you siad I was wrong for calling it one.

Haha, nice misquote there. This shows that you have to lie to back up your point.

This is what you actually said, and what I replied to:

IMO this was a speed run amied at beating the US time, but because it failed to better the US time of 14 mins, it is being promoted as a 'DPS run'.

It was not aimed to beat the US record, just to get a good time. We do not promote it as a DPS run because we couldn't beat 14 minutes.

Stop lying please.

At no point have you stated that you did not loot, in fact your post says you were not going to.

I said that it was a speed run. meaning looting after part 5.

A piece of misinformation you have only just been forced to correct.

What have we been forced to correct here?

So far that is 2 for your definition of PUG

Everybody else against.

Anyone who has a differing opinion to your opinion is a 'fail', 'slow','random or other derogatory term you favor today.

Everyone else seem to think pug means "bad group formed ingame in 10 minutes were no one ever have played witheachother before" or somethig similiar.

That is the point, your definition means there are no PUGs.

Please give an example of a group that is NOT a PUG?

A guild group, or a bunch of friends playing together would not be a pug.
But if you LFM, your group will be pug.

By your definition it's litteraly impossible to get a pug if you're not blind and got alzheimers.

[Yargore]

I just came back from the beach, and I feel nice so I won't write a lengthy response to your reply of my last post and make you look completely idiotic. Like I said, I'm feeling nice.

I will say this though, you need to look up what the word random means. I already posted a definition. You didn't take random players last time.

When something is random, there is no pattern/purpose/objective. Your group was not random last time. There was a specific pattern you had in selecting people. It was anything but random. Stop being either dishonest or plain thick-skulled. You know they weren't random. Now stop it. Enough of this.

The players were random, the builds were not.
How is it different from looking for an intimi, rogue, cleric and a caster for example?
Is that not a pug?

You completely fail to understand what a pug is. I suggest you reread the thread a couple of times.