Quote Originally Posted by Pyromaniac View Post
When someone pulls the center 'by accident' in part 2 reguarly, they won't get accepted to any of my shrouds in the future. Sometimes you end up with a sub-optimal group in shrouds and this type of thing can slow down part 2, make clerics start using consumables, or if its a really bad group wipe the party.

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That's the kind of thing that makes putting together pug raid groups not worth the bother. If it happened more often, I'd give up on leading any pug shroud raids and go with guild only and shortman it if necessary.
Well.. I can understand why you think like this in a bad pug(as the case was).. or if the guildies on your group are on their wrong classes and the dps and self-reliance is lacking in the party... aka sub-par group.

What you dont lack here on the US-server is ppl who doesnt have good leadership... but sometimes even that can be a bit ---eurmm... I mean in one of my, so far, 6 pugshroud completions we had like 8 rangers with mintus and we still slowpoked instead of just rushing it like you guys, so exellently, do on normal q´s ... "less talk, more rush" should have applied in that case...