Chivalry is Undead?

[Samadhi]

Fixed. Let's FLIP THIS AROUND, shall we.

I pulled Tharne's Goggles. I want them desperately! But, by the way I play, I put them up for roll, because I know I am not the only one who wants them desperately.

Here is my roll: Roll(1d100)+0:
63,+0
Total:63

Who else would like to roll?

I am greedy, eh?

I have never, ever, seen anyone do that. How, then, is it unhonorable for people to follow a convention they have never even heard of?

Rothsel said it best; I can't contribute anymore than what sHe has already said.

Peace.

[lifestaker]

Just doing a few attempts to clarify my posts so that the trolls have less to work with.

[Velexia]

I have never, ever, seen anyone do that. How, then, is it unhonorable for people to follow a convention they have never even heard of?

Rothsel said it best; I can't contribute anymore than what sHe has already said.

Peace.

A sign of the times. Also, in regards to your last few posts above this one... I expected much more from the Guild Leader of the Sabbat...(such as patience, and understanding) but then, I guess I don't really know the Sabbat Guild all that well. Though the people in it that I have run with do seem to be good players...

By patience I mean, less than five minutes worth of waiting for my full reply.
By understanding, I mean, understanding that after being asked to clarify something that has already been clarified numerous times, I don't really feel like I should have to repeat myself... yet for your convenience, I went ahead and found all of the instances FOR YOU, and you gave me grief for it.

[Velexia]

Eh, at least you are a humorous Troll

So, any suggestions on how I might go about plotting the course toward this point?

[lifestaker]

Eh, at least you are a humorous Troll

So, any suggestions on how I might go about plotting the course toward this point?

Is your point that if I pull a raid item I can use, I should put it up for roll?

A Y or a N would have done. You could even elongate the letters to make a word.

[Velexia]

A Y or a N would have done. You could even elongate the letters to make a word.

If I said "Y" or "Yes" we would inevitably have gone back to people moaning about "passing on items."

I felt that by quoting myself on every single instance in which I had already clarified his question, I was doing two things: Proving a point, and making especially sure that my answer could not be misunderstood.

What point, you ask?

That his question did not need to be asked, as it had already been answered.

[Velexia]

Anyway, the point of this thread has definitely been reached. I was determining whether my experiences in the last few raids were rare, or commonplace.

The verdict? Commonplace. This is how Ghallanda plays.

I now throw this thread to the wolves, and wash my hands of it.

See you in Ghallanda, and best of luck to you.

~Velexia

[Justicar]

Just because you put what you pull up for roll regardless of whether you can use it or not doesnt mean that the guy who looted his item without putting it up for roll is being greedy. You cant expect others to follow your own personal rules. If you want it and need it, then loot it. OP, nobody faults anybody for that. Except you it appears..

[Uska]

I have never, ever, seen anyone do that. How, then, is it unhonorable for people to follow a convention they have never even heard of?

Rothsel said it best; I can't contribute anymore than what sHe has already said.

Peace.

I bet almost noone would do that least of all the op

[rest]

Fixed. Let's FLIP THIS AROUND, shall we.

I pulled Tharne's Goggles. I want them desperately! But, by the way I play, I put them up for roll, because I know I am not the only one who wants them desperately.

Here is my roll: Roll(1d100)+0:
63,+0
Total:63

Who else would like to roll?

I am greedy, eh?

If you do this, you're not honorable, you're stupid.

I'm from a different server(Sarlona) so perhaps what I witness in raids is different, but this has been getting so many replies I had to pop in.

[death_smurf]

Fixed. Let's FLIP THIS AROUND, shall we.

I pulled Tharne's Goggles. I want them desperately! But, by the way I play, I put them up for roll, because I know I am not the only one who wants them desperately.

Here is my roll: Roll(1d100)+0:
63,+0
Total:63

Who else would like to roll?

I am greedy, eh?

Until you actually pay for someone elses subcription, maybe you should focus on your self and the loot that your characters pull rather than try to tell others how to handle there actions. (loot rolls etc) If someone is generous enough to put an item up for roll that they could also make use of... then be thankful for the extra oportunity to roll on that item. If that person decides not to put the item up for roll and loot it instead, move on and hope that next time that person will not need that loot and then offer it up for roll. Bottom line is while the choices you make regarding your loot seem exagerated to beyond the point of fair... expecting other to follow your lead and act in a similar fashion is more an act of selfishness.

[Nysrock]

I have seen other posts about unfair raid chests but never one that we should all put up what we get for roll. I think we have some of the fairest looting systems, at least with the many pugs I have been in.
The ACCEPTED RULES that I have seen have always been....

1) If you pull it and need it then it is yours.
2) If you don't need it then ask those that might for CLASS SPECIFIC items first, IE: Lorrik's Necklace in Hound for clerics. Allow them to roll first.
3) If CLASS SPECIFIC isn't an issue then put it up for roll for the group.

You happen to be the first person I have ever seen complain of this system. Now you are entitled to your opinion but don't condemn the rest of the server for following raid loot rules that seem to work for 99% of us. You may do what you want with your loot but always in a democratic society the majority rules.

*steps off soapbox*

[Visty]

I only silence the people whose main goal seems to be trying to goad me into getting angry by trolling my thread. If you read the posts, you will notice that they have not (read them, or perhaps comprehended them). (Visty has joined the list)

no, you silence ppl who shows you that your attidute is 100% greed and noone will live be it

stasi ftw

[Khroc]

If I said "Y" or "Yes" we would inevitably have gone back to people moaning about "passing on items."

I felt that by quoting myself on every single instance in which I had already clarified his question, I was doing two things: Proving a point, and making especially sure that my answer could not be misunderstood.

What point, you ask?

That his question did not need to be asked, as it had already been answered.

Are you in a guild? If so..is it a good guild? If not.. join a BETTER guild if you so desire raid loot !! End of story..

[Daltric]

Im a new player on Thelanis. I have managed to join a reputable guild and get two characters to level 16. Yay. And I am now discovering the joy of raid loot.

In my main alts 3rd Hound the Crippling Armour came up for a roll (a fellow guildie pulled it). He knew that I wanted it but the rules we run by as a guild say 'If its no use to you put it up for a roll'. 5 of us rolled for it and I got it.

My 2nd alts first Hound run - I pulled Valeks Bracers. Someone else pulled the Crippling Armour. The main reason I was running the raid was the armour. It was put up for a roll and I won. I was at an impasse re the bracers though. 'What is the etiquette regarding raid loot. One item per character??' The group said that I should keep the Bracers even though i felt obliged to put them up for a roll. After 5 minutes of discussion as to why I should keep them, I surrendered and took the item.

In my 1st successful VoD run (after 5 dismal failures), I was in a 10 man group. 9 were from 1 guild and lo and behold the Goggles popped and were put up for a roll. I eyed them with envy (very nice and I am a part rogue). But it was a Legion run so I chose to NOT roll for them even though I really wanted the nice shiny and 'help my DPS' goggles.

My 3rd successful run, the monk robes and goggles dropped. The monk in the party pulled the goggles and the puller of the robe gave it to the monk. There were no complaints.

I did a Shroud yesterday. The leader of the party was after small shards. I pulled one and gave it to him. Then told him it was in the chest. He said to put it up for a roll. He already had it in his name in the chest. He couild of just taken it. No-one would have complained. I pulled it and I gave it away. He lost the roll.

My point is that there are still chivalrous (you do know that this is not the correct usage of the term) players in the game. I also believe that the person who pulls the item has the right to disperse as he or she sees fit. But I also believe that players who take and covet for the wrong reason display an arrogant greed. But if this behaviour annoys you, then learn who these players are AND DON'T RUN WITH THEM.

Stick to running with those that display the same morals and ethics that you yourself display. And maybe then this 'Chivalry vs Greed' discourse becomes obselete.


Tindalos Tranicos
The Bloody Toecutters

[Rothsel]

So, any suggestions on how I might go about plotting the course toward this point?

The simplest answer I can give you is, “Its not a public thing“. This is something you need to decide for yourself. You need to decide what’s right for you and go from there. The best answer I can give you is ask beforehand what the end item system is. If its what you like, stay, if not leave. Or, offer your version as a counter.

Knowing what’s expected up front will alleviate almost all discussions at the end of a quest.

For me, I see the end rewards as pre-rolled generations of my items. The loot table was decided when the quest started, when we get to the end and complete, the system makes a roll and if I got it, I won the roll for it. Now, if I need it, I’m going to keep it. If not, Ill put it up for group rolls.

I never expect anyone else to give up anything to me, even if it’s the most important item I could have, and they already have 2. It’s theirs, not the groups. If they keep it, I'll just run it again, and again, if I want it bad enough.