Quick question

**Lorichie** · 07-31-2009, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Then you are aware there are rules against trolling a thread. This is a thread started by me, so I will kindly stay in it. Thanks for your concern, I wish you well as my conversation with you is over as you are not adding anything productive to this post in relation to the topic at hand. You said your piece...good day.

Lol, did you actually think this was a conversation? I dont care what you think. I dont care about your well wishes.

My "piece" was to point out the fact that in other posts you defend your right to be in that thread, and in this one you dictate that all those who dont agree with you, think like you, act like you, smell like you should just "walk away". I, as have you in the past, am stating, that i shall do as i please, in whatever thread i see fit.

If the moderators decide i crossed the line, they will let me know, but it sure wont be you that dictates anything to me lol.

R

**Zippo** · 07-31-2009, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Lorien_the_First_One

I think your opinion is only valid if it confirms what he thinks the answer to his question is.

Lol **** ya got me. Hey wait a minute you didn't have expressed written permission in triplicate, signed, notarized, blessed by a preacher, and proper postage to the reigning authorities to quote me

**ShadowHand2** · 07-31-2009, 12:36 AM

Well, seeing anyone can make the claim they are an expert stands to reason that sounding like your one as an expert does make one an expert. Siting off site rules or laws and such in no way valid in what DDO/Trubine has as its own rules. Anyone can google and add links, personal opinion will show you can make a sound thought of what it means.
I will tend to believe for those who might claim they are experts at something must realize they are talking through the INTERNET where credentials of expertises cannot be verified. I will believe you if it is your humble opinion, but I will laugh if your claiming to be an expert with no proof of such. If having titles on a gaming forum is your qualifier for expertises....going to need more then blind faith to come close to believable.

**Zippo** · 07-31-2009, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Well, seeing anyone can make the claim they are an expert stands to reason that sounding your one is an expert does make one an expert. Siting off site rules or laws and such in no way valid in what DDO/Trubine has as its own rules. Anyone can google and add links, personal opinion will show you can make a sound thought of what it means.
I will tend to believe for those who might claim they are experts at something must realize they are talking through the INTERNET where credentials of expertises cannot be verified. I will believe you if it is your humble opinion, but I will laugh if your claiming to be an expert with no proof of such. If having titles on a gaming forum is your qualifier for expertises....going to need more then blind faith to come close to believable.

Man they have GIVEN YOU multiple links from credited sites to specifically answer your question and you still refuse to accept what they are telling you. Why???? are you afraid of looking stupid by admitting you are wrong? If that is the concern believe me it's too late for that the damage is already done.

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 07-31-2009, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Well, seeing anyone can make the claim they are an expert stands to reason that sounding like your one as an expert does make one an expert. Siting off site rules or laws and such in no way valid in what DDO/Trubine has as its own rules. Anyone can google and add links, personal opinion will show you can make a sound thought of what it means.
I will tend to believe for those who might claim they are experts at something must realize they are talking through the INTERNET where credentials of expertises cannot be verified. I will believe you if it is your humble opinion, but I will laugh if your claiming to be an expert with no proof of such. If having titles on a gaming forum is your qualifier for expertises....going to need more then blind faith to come close to believable.

Turbine's entire rules on the subject were posted. They basically said if it isn't offensive and doesn't break the law its ok. The law was posted with links to multiple independant sites so it wasn't just our opinions. Your question was answered and reanswered, you either don't understand or don't care what anyone but you says so I'm not sure why you asked other people's opinion in your OP.

On the positive side, at least I finally had cause to try out negative rep.

**ShadowHand2** · 07-31-2009, 12:46 AM

Tell you what,
If cowardliness is not your thing, please freely admit that the only reason some are here is to harass and be rude. Please freely admit you are purposely trying to close a legitimate thread based off of who the OP is. Hiding behind posts directed at me clearly shows your intent. Just be brave and upfront to DDO/Turbine of your intentions to close this thread because you personally do not like the author. I am sure they will be willing to listen to why you wish to close threads and harass others by going after them. Come on, do not feel afraid to admit your intent. Show me your not afraid.

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 07-31-2009, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Tell you what,
If cowardliness is not your thing, please freely admit that the only reason some are here is to harass and be rude. Please freely admit you are purposely trying to close a legitimate thread based off of who the OP is. Hiding behind posts directed at me clearly shows your intent. Just be brave and upfront to DDO/Turbine of your intentions to close this thread because you personally do not like the author. I am sure they will be willing to listen to why you wish to close threads and harass others by going after them. Come on, do not feel afraid to admit your intent. Show me your not afraid.

Who are you talking to?

If you look through this thread just about every poster tried to answer your question...repeatedly. We took the question very seriously - it was a good question. Your responses however were arrogant, rude, dismissive, and made it clear that you didn't want the answers you asked for. The only one in this thread who didn't take your question seriously was apparently YOU.

**Vivanto** · 07-31-2009, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Zippo

Lol **** ya got me. Hey wait a minute you didn't have expressed written permission in triplicate, signed, notarized, blessed by a preacher, and proper postage to the reigning authorities to quote me

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 07-31-2009, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Vivanto

/thread

**ShadowHand2** · 07-31-2009, 01:02 AM

I read them already, but I know the ones who posted thier view hardly touches the surface of the forum population. There are others out there who might have more ideas. Stamping it with a seal as an end all of a discuss because some have SPOKEN....means those same ones are ending the conversation as decreed. I want more then a handful of "ëxperts" to end a discusstion. it is hardly fair to them if your going to determine the end of a discussion for them. I heard what and read all of what was posted. Is that hard to understand? Give others a right to post hier views then on the topic insdie of sacry them away.

I do want a reasonable idea of the topic, I really do want to know more of what is right to post and what is not (on DDO). However, I also want more then a few links and thoughts. When people side track it, the flow stops and becomes muttled.

I am really trying my hardless guys/girls (hard to tell online). If you want to help me STOP attacking me. I can hardly keep up with constant attacks as is going on. If you cannot help me through this post, how is that helping anyone?

**Zippo** · 07-31-2009, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

I read them already, but I know the ones who posted thier view hardly touches the surface of the forum population. There are others out there who might have more ideas. Stamping it with a seal as an end all of a discuss because some have SPOKEN....means those same ones are ending the conversation as decreed. I want more then a handful of "ëxperts" to end a discusstion. it is hardly fair to them if your going to determine the end of a discussion for them. I heard what and read all of what was posted. Is that hard to understand? Give others a right to post hier views then on the topic insdie of sacry them away.

I do want a reasonable idea of the topic, I really do want to know more of what is right to post and what is not (on DDO). However, I also want more then a few links and thoughts. When people side track it, the flow stops and becomes muttled.

I am really trying my hardless guys/girls (hard to tell online). If you want to help me STOP attacking me. I can hardly keep up with constant attacks as is going on. If you cannot help me through this post, how is that helping anyone?

You have no leg to stand on when irrefutible proof is layed out in front of you and you still refuse to accept it. They however never said no one else could post on the topic so if your going to make stuff up at least make a reasonable attempt to make it believable and for the love of god man give up the victim routine its pathetic. Really it is!

**Mhykke** · 07-31-2009, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Mhykke,
Is that your child or do you have permission to post others children on a gaming forum? Creepy. Rudeness like this will not serve you well nor do you any good. Please refrain from being rude in here and please add your thoughts of the topic at hand. If your not concerned with the topic you can find other threads or post your own.

K, here are my thoughts:

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 07-31-2009, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

I read them already, but I know the ones who posted thier view hardly touches the surface of the forum population. There are others out there who might have more ideas.

I'll give this one more shot that you are serious...

Here's the problem Shadow... on some subjects there can be 1000 different opinions. For example, should we change the game to reduce zerging and how. No single answer is "correct".

Other questions are a matter of fact, when the first poster answers the question "Is water really made of hyrodgyen an Oxyogen?" with "yes, its H2O" the matter really is answered, 1000 more posters won't change that.

What you asked was a matter of forum policy (posted) and the law (posted) and examples given. This particular quesiton is a matter of fact more than opinion 99% of the time. The only wiggle room is around things like "what is fair use" which is somewhat debatable and each case is judged on its own merits.

Just look at that cheezburger photo for example. It's a picture that the public is encouraged to download and distribute and they may legally do so as long as they leave the credits on the picture. Use of the picture in this thread actually helps the holder of the copyright as it attracts business to their website. that's directly on point to your original question and it was dealt with in at least a couple of the answers in this thread.

The bigger problem that makes people hostile is you seem to have a tone that is agressive and insulting. If you don't mean it, then you need to practice the old "wait 30 seconds and then reread it before you post" rule. You inferred twice in this thread that I was cowardly for example - that doesn't predispose me to being friendly. You accused others of lying about their credentials. And yes, on the internet they may or may not be telling the truth, but saying "you could be lying" isn't helpful to friendly discussion (and besides, who'd admit to being a HS science teacher if it wasn't true

)

**oberon131313** · 07-31-2009, 01:47 AM

thread recap:

SH2: quick question: i can use pix?
forum: yes
SH2: no, I don't want to be able to use pics. Children scare me.
forum: um, what?
SH2: stop trolling.
forum:

**Aranticus** · 07-31-2009, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Lorien_the_First_One

I'll give this one more shot that you are serious...

Here's the problem Shadow... on some subjects there can be 1000 different opinions. For example, should we change the game to reduce zerging and how. No single answer is "correct".

Other questions are a matter of fact, when the first poster answers the question "Is water really made of hyrodgyen an Oxyogen?" with "yes, its H2O" the matter really is answered, 1000 more posters won't change that.

What you asked was a matter of forum policy (posted) and the law (posted) and examples given. This particular quesiton is a matter of fact more than opinion 99% of the time. The only wiggle room is around things like "what is fair use" which is somewhat debatable and each case is judged on its own merits.

Just look at that cheezburger photo for example. It's a picture that the public is encouraged to download and distribute and they may legally do so as long as they leave the credits on the picture. Use of the picture in this thread actually helps the holder of the copyright as it attracts business to their website. that's directly on point to your original question and it was dealt with in at least a couple of the answers in this thread.

The bigger problem that makes people hostile is you seem to have a tone that is agressive and insulting. If you don't mean it, then you need to practice the old "wait 30 seconds and then reread it before you post" rule. You inferred twice in this thread that I was cowardly for example - that doesn't predispose me to being friendly. You accused others of lying about their credentials. And yes, on the internet they may or may not be telling the truth, but saying "you could be lying" isn't helpful to friendly discussion (and besides, who'd admit to being a HS science teacher if it wasn't true

)

i hope he doesnt take 300 years to apologise like the church did for galileo

**ShadowHand2** · 07-31-2009, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Lorien_the_First_One

I'll give this one more shot that you are serious...

Here's the problem Shadow... on some subjects there can be 1000 different opinions. For example, should we change the game to reduce zerging and how. No single answer is "correct".

Other questions are a matter of fact, when the first poster answers the question "Is water really made of hyrodgyen an Oxyogen?" with "yes, its H2O" the matter really is answered, 1000 more posters won't change that.

What you asked was a matter of forum policy (posted) and the law (posted) and examples given. This particular quesiton is a matter of fact more than opinion 99% of the time. The only wiggle room is around things like "what is fair use" which is somewhat debatable and each case is judged on its own merits.

Just look at that cheezburger photo for example. It's a picture that the public is encouraged to download and distribute and they may legally do so as long as they leave the credits on the picture. Use of the picture in this thread actually helps the holder of the copyright as it attracts business to their website. that's directly on point to your original question and it was dealt with in at least a couple of the answers in this thread.

The bigger problem that makes people hostile is you seem to have a tone that is agressive and insulting. If you don't mean it, then you need to practice the old "wait 30 seconds and then reread it before you post" rule. You inferred twice in this thread that I was cowardly for example - that doesn't predispose me to being friendly. You accused others of lying about their credentials. And yes, on the internet they may or may not be telling the truth, but saying "you could be lying" isn't helpful to friendly discussion (and besides, who'd admit to being a HS science teacher if it wasn't true

)

I total agree with most of what you said. I just wanted more imput from the population...more coming in means more ideas. From part of what I was getting at is that for me...photos of kids not your own I "Feel" is poor judgement to post. Just an example. If you felt I insulted you personally, that was not my intent. I will apoligize for that. When it comes to creditdents of others, who knows if they really are experts in that field. We do not know each person here personally (some maybe). I agree it is not friendly, but then others have come on this thread with NO input and merely harrassing. That is hardly fair in a discussion.

Also really if your going to claim your an expert, say your an expert and hold a job spary mist from water bottles at Super models. THAT I will beleive, even if it is true

We can have dreams.

**oberon131313** · 07-31-2009, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

I agree it is not friendly, but then others have come on this thread with NO input and merely harrassing. That is hardly fair in a discussion.

to this point, from the start of this thread you have vehemently disagreed or taken offense to various things in this thread, even when they aren't offensive. That's hardly fair in a discussion.

**ShadowHand2** · 07-31-2009, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

i hope he doesnt take 300 years to apologies like the church did for galileo

Nicolaus Copernicus deserves more attention. Has he (his descendent's)ever been apologized to? He lost his life as much I as can recall.

**ShadowHand2** · 07-31-2009, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by oberon131313

to this point, from the start of this thread you have vehemently disagreed or taken offense to various things in this thread, even when they aren't offensive. That's hardly fair in a discussion.

Nor is it fair to not point out the same was done to me...so no one wins

**Aranticus** · 07-31-2009, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

I total agree with most of what you said. I just wanted more imput from the population...more coming in means more ideas. From part of what I was getting at is that for me...photos of kids not your own I "Feel" is poor judgement to post.

the kid in pictures i posted in this thread is mine, you need to see the birth cert?

Just an example. If you felt I insulted you personally, that was not my intent. I will apoligize for that. When it comes to creditdents of others, who knows if they really are experts in that field.

i have posted proof that i'm a teacher, that being a picture or maybe you need more?

We do not know each person here personally (some maybe). I agree it is not friendly, but then others have come on this thread with NO input and merely harrassing. That is hardly fair in a discussion.

the inputs i had earlier in the discussion were not just neutral but trying to be friendly as well. however, they were NOT being acknowledged, refuted with a "you are not an expert" remark, but more importantly even met with an insult

Also really if your going to claim your an expert, say your an expert and hold a job spary mist from water bottles at Super models. THAT I will beleive, even if it is true

We can have dreams.

i try to believe that as well....

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