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[ShadowHand2]

Can I have a Dev or the like show me the link or area that states the Reputation system is a rule that we HAVE to use or is it in fact merely a system. A system is not the same as a rule...and as such if we do not want to be a part of a option where is the rule that says we have to use it? The disable option is not a disable option it only removes the view of your points you do not want to be a part of. So are we forced to use a system that is not a rule?

Again, just a link that shows we HAVE to use it or a place where we can opt out of a system/tool on the forums?

[smatt]

Unless it's changed from version 3.5.1, this is version 3.7.1 V-Bulletin won't allow a single user to be removed from the reputation system.

It makes no difference when it's turned of nobody can see nobody cares anyways

[Aranticus]

Unless it's changed from version 3.5.1, this is version 3.7.1 V-Bulletin won't allow a single user to be removed from the reputation system.

It makes no difference when it's turned of nobody can see nobody cares anyways

if you check his posting history, you will know why he cares

[ShadowHand2]

if you check his posting history, you will know why he cares

Pointing out someone's history that is not on topic is not needed or wanted...stick with that post and stop bring negative attention to fellow posters like you just did.

Add something insightful and helpful or walk away. I ask for a link to show where we HAVE to use it. If there is no rule then then there is no obligation. It is a system not a rule check your facts before responding will be helpful to us all.

[Rilean]

Pointing out someone's history that is not on topic is not needed or wanted...stick with that post and stop bring negative attention to fellow posters like you just did.

Add something insightful and helpful or walk away. I ask for a link to show where we HAVE to use it. If there is no rule then then there is no obligation. It is a system not a rule check your facts before responding will be helpful to us all.

Dude wanting something insightful on these forums isnt realistic situation now is it

[ShadowHand2]

Dude wanting something insightful on these forums isnt realistic situation now is it

nor is thinking people really use debate rules either...it is simply does not exist.

[ShadowHand2]

Unless it's changed from version 3.5.1, this is version 3.7.1 V-Bulletin won't allow a single user to be removed from the reputation system.

It makes no difference when it's turned of nobody can see nobody cares anyways

But where is it listed we signed up for a system? A rule yes DDO can change rules as they see fit. Yet a system is not a rule it is merely a tool. A tool we are forced to be a part of even if we wish to disable it since it is flawed. If lie detectors were 100% accrute...why are they not allowed in a court of law. They are flawed tools designed for show, and not a law or a rule.

Again, I wish to be shown a link or place where I or others signed on to be forced to use a tool? Be part of a system whether we like it or not....how is that allowing choice? Where is freewill? Options to disable is a lie as you are still part of the "system" So either we have no choice and are being dictated by others or give us a real option on user panel to disable a tool.

[Aranticus]

But where is it listed we signed up for a system? A rule yes DDO can change rules as they see fit. Yet a system is not a rule it is merely a tool. A tool we are forced to be a part of even if we wish to disable it since it is flawed. If lie detectors were 100% accrute...why are they not allowed in a court of law. They are flawed tools designed for show, and not a law or a rule.

Again, I wish to be shown a link or place where I or others signed on to be forced to use a tool? Be part of a system whether we like it or not....how is that allowing choice? Where is freewill? Options to disable is a lie as you are still part of the "system" So either we have no choice and are being dictated by others or give us a real option on user panel to disable a tool.

i have never let the rep system stop me from anything. as of now, the only people able to give neg rep out is probably the devs (and possibly borror0). whatever bad rep you recieve is likely going to come from them. they define whats right and whats wrong. is it foolproof? no, they have their bad hair days

if there is something on it, look in the official reputation thread. yeah you could start your freedom of speech rabble again but i suggest you read up about it. i'm not american but spent a year studying american history and i can tell ya your rights doesnt apply here

[ShadowHand2]

i have never let the rep system stop me from anything. as of now, the only people able to give neg rep out is probably the devs (and possibly borror0). whatever bad rep you recieve is likely going to come from them. they define whats right and whats wrong. is it foolproof? no, they have their bad hair days

if there is something on it, look in the official reputation thread. yeah you could start your freedom of speech rabble again but i suggest you read up about it. i'm not american but spent a year studying american history and i can tell ya your rights doesnt apply here

Incorrect freedom of speech on the INTERNET is upheld by the US Supreme court....but you knew that right? Try again. Off topic and a derailment. Where is the link as I have ask from above?


Ps...for your education of the 1st Amendment on matters of on the INTERNET.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...Ashcroft_(2002)

one of many cases, all of which have nothing to do with my post. Please stay on course and stop derailing. If not giving me a link or such I have nothing more to say to you.

[Aranticus]

Incorrect freedom of speech on the INTERNET is upheld by the US Supreme court....but you knew that right? Try again. Off topic and a derailment. Where is the link as I have ask from above?


Ps...for your education of the 1st Amendment on matters of on the INTERNET.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...Ashcroft_(2002)

one of many cases, all of which have nothing to do with my post. Please stay on course and stop derailing. If not giving me a link or such I have nothing more to say to you.

lol

[TechNoFear]

Incorrect freedom of speech on the INTERNET is upheld by the US Supreme court

but your location states Australia....

Australia does not have protection of freedom of speech, apart from being a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

[Borror0]

the only people able to give neg rep out is probably the devs (and possibly borror0)

The list is longer than that. You have to add Impaqt, Draccus, Jerry, Strakeln and Big-Dex.

I might be missing one or two, though.

[uhgungawa]

Yet a system is not a rule it is merely a tool. A tool we are forced to be a part of even if we wish to disable it since it is flawed.

It's not flawed, nor are you forced to use it. The choice is yours to use the forums or not, and to post on them or not.

[uhgungawa]

Oh, and Borror0 is the Grand Poobah of the BMRVOFS - Big Meanies Randomly Violating Others Freedom of Speech. I spotted them having a meeting in the Salty Wench tavern the other night. They seemed to be plotting your downfall

/tinfoil hat on

[Borror0]

It's not flawed, nor are you forced to use it.

I would argue it is flawed. Reputation is nearly equal to number_of_posts*humor_quotient*comments_about_repu tation.

If you prefer, if you want reputation, the best is to post a lot, be funny and make comments about the reputation system so that others think about handing out reputation to you. Posting a really helpful post (like a guide) may also help.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I would argue it is flawed. Reputation is nearly equal to number_of_posts*humor_quotient*comments_about_repu tation.

If you prefer, if you want reputation, the best is to post a lot, be funny and make comments about the reputation system so that others think about handing out reputation to you. Posting a really helpful post (like a guide) may also help.

I posted suggesting that the forum rep system was a bad idea in the thread it was announced. I'm still not sure its a good idea to make someone feel bad about themselves, even if they are getting the rep because they are jerks or posted really dumb ideas. On a way its enabling the masses to pick on the weak and stupid.

And I'm not sure what the benefit of having it is, so why have something that can hurt people's feelings as part of the official system if it doesn't bring a significant benefit?

[Magis_DarkStone]

You chose to take part in the fourm "Community". Which means that your stuck with the Community Systems or rules. Same as real life.

You go into your school or Work ****ing people off and offending them However your doing it (not that you did I never check your history). People aren't going to like you and are going to put you negitive. It doesn't matter if you belive your right or even if your right. Its all perception aka "Social grace".

Personally from what I've seen you say in this thread, Your an ****** and a whiner. Thats my perception of you so yes I'd give you neg rep without a second though.


Have a Nice day.

[ShadowHand2]

You chose to take part in the fourm "Community". Which means that your stuck with the Community Systems or rules. Same as real life.

You go into your school or Work ****ing people off and offending them However your doing it (not that you did I never check your history). People aren't going to like you and are going to put you negitive. It doesn't matter if you belive your right or even if your right. Its all perception aka "Social grace".

Personally from what I've seen you say in this thread, Your an ****** and a whiner. Thats my perception of you so yes I'd give you neg rep without a second though.


Have a Nice day.

Incorrect on all accounts. The rep system is a TOOL to be used, what it is NOT is a rule. The Rep system was in fact added afterward and circumvents forum rules. Case in point: A player breaks rules of forum rules are subject to infraction points BY Dev's to restrict or remove your right to post. Rep system was added as a popularity tool that is in no way connected to the forum rules yet if a person gets enough points they are subject to the REAL forum rules. Since posting a pos or neg with no restriction on why you gave said points...it is flawed. Meaning, you can give neg or pos points not as intended and there is no way to hold a person to that.

If all of you are saying you only post pos or neg as intended I say your not being truthful. There is no way to hold you to that agreement to DDO...they only hope you do that. When the time comes a poster gets neg points from others but they do not break the real forum rules.....it violates those same rules. As only Dev's have the power under their form rules to restrict or remove others from posting....again a system or tool is not the same as a rule now is it?

"Personally from what I've seen you say in this thread, Your an ****** and a whiner. Thats my perception of you so yes I'd give you neg rep without a second though." ....so you freely admit you vote as not intended but based off emotional outburst? You might wish to edit a confess like this so REAL forum rules do not get applied to you.

Point is show me the link that we all agreed to a system as I have stated many times over. If it is a popularity tool and others like myself who do not need ego stroking to feel good about ourselves then it is what is A TOOL. The disable option is not a disable option as you are still apart of a system you never volunteered for. If there in fact is no rule that binds us to a tool that says it is optional then optional means REAL OPTIONS! Popularity has nothing with personal opinion or the right to post.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Can I have a Dev or the like show me the link or area that states the Reputation system is a rule that we HAVE to use or is it in fact merely a system. A system is not the same as a rule...and as such if we do not want to be a part of a option where is the rule that says we have to use it? The disable option is not a disable option it only removes the view of your points you do not want to be a part of. So are we forced to use a system that is not a rule?

Again, just a link that shows we HAVE to use it or a place where we can opt out of a system/tool on the forums?

Let's see....its their board, if they say it gets used, it gets used. They make the rules, they don't have to write them down for you.

Incorrect freedom of speech on the INTERNET is upheld by the US Supreme court....but you knew that right? Try again. Off topic and a derailment. Where is the link as I have ask from above?

Well first of all you linked to wiki, not the court decisions, so maybe you didn't actually read or understand the decisions, but they do not apply. All those decisions did was to apply the same standard for judging free speach to the Internet as to traditional media. There is no protection of speach under the 1st ammendment in settings such as this one. The protection is designed mainly to prevent the government interfering with your speach, not to force a private entitiy to let you say something within their pages. For example you can't force the New York Times to let you have a weekly column because of Freedom of Speach. Even in the non-legal articles you sited they clearly say free speach is not without limits. In addition, the rep system is just a rating and monitoring system and does not by itself censor any speach.

The list is longer than that. You have to add Impaqt, Draccus, Jerry, Strakeln and Big-Dex.

I might be missing one or two, though.

I assume there are limits on handing out bad rep the way there are limits on good rep? Although most days I imagine that aren't THAT many people that need bad rep lol

[Borror0]

I assume there are limits on handing out bad rep the way there are limits on good rep?

It shares the limitation with positive reputation. If you give pos or neg rep, it takes one use out of your daily pool.

All other restrictions (cooldown per poster, etc.) also apply.

Although most days I imagine that aren't THAT many people that need bad rep lol

I would say my personal average is under 1 neg rep per day and I think I tend to give neg rep easily compared to other users.