New Raid Beaten on Beta!!!!!

**totmacher** · 07-24-2009, 02:00 PM

yeah and that figure is probably inflated, when pots were cheap at 120 / 15, i was buying them and not bothering to even try heal scrolls out because it was so easy to just chug a pot.

once they inflated the price yesterday for the 2nd time, I became more conservative, especially during the last night's completion. I would say on average the new quests require maybe 2-5 pots on normal for a first completion from a new group and the new raid maybe 100 per healer to finally get a strat down

**Big-Dex** · 07-24-2009, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by totmacher

overall ballpark in raid, maybe 500, out of raid 300-500 probably as well. the side quests were rough because we did all of them on elite and multiple times to get people keyed. i know that i at least bought 1k though

Dude! You guys are some skilled players. There is no doubt that the Store made the tactical development phase of that RAID move along quicker for you. I have no doubt that this is not an easy RAID then.

From what I am hearing, on the norm, this RAID would take the average crew a while to beat and still cost a lot to learn and get done. PUGs are gonna have a time of this. I say this even in light of you guys four manning it your first few times in and then zerging the keying on elite.

Turbine better stock up on POTS in their Store because those who have no qualms about tapping extra $$$ to beat it are gonna be juicing up to get 'er done.

This should be interesting to watch when it goes live.

Dex was here.

**Mhykke** · 07-24-2009, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by totmacher

.....and the new raid maybe 100 per healer to finally get a strat down

But usually it doesn't work that all new groups to a raid/quest are testing tactics. Most of the time they'll hear, or have someone in group that's already done it, so they'll have an idea of what to do and not do.

**Mhykke** · 07-24-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Big-Dex

PUGs are gonna have a time of this.

I can see the raid being pretty easy for tight groups. As for pugs, I don't know.....I just know that there's a mob in there that does tons and tons of damage, even on normal. Your average pug that still takes a while in the shroud, I just don't see being able to get past this mob.

**Big-Dex** · 07-24-2009, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mhykke

But usually it doesn't work that all new groups to a raid/quest are testing tactics. Most of the time they'll hear, or have someone in group that's already done it, so they'll have an idea of what to do and not do.

And the time frame that this developing and sharing of tactics usually would take has just been considerably shortened some, don't ya' think?

Dex was here.

**Big-Dex** · 07-24-2009, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mhykke

I can see the raid being pretty easy for tight groups. As for pugs, I don't know.....I just know that there's a mob in there that does tons and tons of damage, even on normal. Your average pug that still takes a while in the shroud, I just don't see being able to get past this mob.

Sounds like a fun time. Looking forward to getting LKM and working it out. Can you guys keep your tactics quiet 'til after folks have had a stab at it on the live servers???

Dex was here.

**Kiranselie** · 07-24-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Big-Dex

Sounds like a fun time. Looking forward to getting LKM and working it out. Can you guys keep your tactics quiet 'til after folks have had a stab at it on the live servers???

Dex was here.

Not a Problem

**totmacher** · 07-24-2009, 02:11 PM

i just totaled it up in my gmail, i bought 1090 mnemonics and i didn't even cash in the sum tarrant gave me when he said i made him laugh

**Mhykke** · 07-24-2009, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by totmacher

i just totaled it up in my gmail, i bought 1090 mnemonics and i didn't even cash in the sum tarrant gave me when he said i made him laugh

How many pots do you have left, unused?

**Kiranselie** · 07-24-2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by totmacher

i just totaled it up in my gmail, i bought 1090 mnemonics and i didn't even cash in the sum tarrant gave me when he said i made him laugh

Oh yeah, you mean when you were too busy to heal the group because you were chatting it up w/ the devs!

That might have contributed to you increase in Pot use, trying to play catch up

Altho, all the ham was nice. . . . . .

**totmacher** · 07-24-2009, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mhykke

How many pots do you have left, unused?

i'm not sure, it's over 100 and that's not including the 43 or so giott gave me which i should send back when he asks

**Big-Dex** · 07-24-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by totmacher

i'm not sure, it's over 100 and that's not including the 43 or so giott gave me which i should send back when he asks

1090 minus 100 or so equals 900 or so used!

Dude! That has got to be some kind of record!

Chugging pots will not get Nat Gann free'd any sooner!

Dex was here.

**Kiranselie** · 07-24-2009, 02:20 PM

Tot, perhaps your potion consumption wouldnt have been as great had you not decided to see if the only way to beat the raid was to drown all the mobs in mneumonic enhancement

**totmacher** · 07-24-2009, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Kiranselie

Tot, perhaps your potion consumption wouldnt have been as great had you not decided to see if the only way to beat the raid was to drown all the mobs in mneumonic enhancement

yeah, i had to heal the deadweight in the party, aka the rogues

i mean there weren't even any traps in there or anything

**Kiranselie** · 07-24-2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by totmacher

yeah, i had to heal the deadweight in the party, aka the rogues

i mean there weren't even any traps in there or anything

Not that it would have mattered if there were traps, not like im going to disable them

Its much more fun to watch you die.

**Mockduck** · 07-24-2009, 02:29 PM

Congrats!

**Kiranselie** · 07-24-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mockduck

Congrats!

Do we get to be on DDOcast?

**Garth_of_Sarlona** · 07-24-2009, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

Note that most Greensteel effects get better as you go up in tier, so the fact that the rings produce a tier 3 effect is a bonus. But weapon damage dice get worse- tier 1 (Holy) is the best, tier 2 (Good Burst) is medium, and tier 3 (Good Blast) is the least damaging. (Barbs with Crit Rage can be exceptions to that ordering)

Note that tier 3 greensteel Blast effects also have a burst effect on them - so they are better than tier 2 burst and they stack with tier 2 burst. i.e. a weapon with both burst and blast will get 2 x bursting on a crit, and 2 x bursting + the blast effect on a 20.

Garth

**Kiranselie** · 07-24-2009, 03:06 PM

I dont know about you guys, but personally I would rather save the damage effects for the weapons and pick up some of the exceptional stats for rings. But hey, thats just me.

**TreknaQudane** · 07-24-2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kiranselie

I dont know about you guys, but personally I would rather save the damage effects for the weapons and pick up some of the exceptional stats for rings. But hey, thats just me.

If posts made earlier are to be believe, the rings will only work for damage with Monks.

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