New Raid Beaten on Beta!!!!!

[Mhykke]

do you think that healing resources (potions, not scrolls) could have been drastically reduced with a different party composition? 6 dedicated melee heros each with their own personal healer?

bard could cover an AC tank with high healing Amp
2-3 arcanes could cover 2 WF tanks (a few ranks in scroll mastery and the repair line would be essential)
3-4 clerics/FvS for the rest.

I'd imagine a group with focused healers would expend less Turbine Points, replacing it with Heal/Repair scrolls with the occasional large Heal/Reconstruct. From your completion times, it wouldnt take a huge amount of scrolls per player, simply due to the cooldown. 12 casts a minute x 45 minutes ~ 500 scrolls max for each healer.

With such a large number of people in the healing role, I'd imagine most groups would want to run it back to back and let be exchange roles; as it seems only fair (especially if it still takes a very large amount of potions, since a barbarian cant spend TP on pots then give them to a cleric)

I think some are misinterpreting the pot usage in this raid. Groups will not have to use many more pots, if more at all, than they had to use to beat VOD or Shroud for the first time without outside knowledge. Groups may use 10 pots or so, then wipe at a certain part (if they don't have any outside knowledge), go back in, use another 10, get a little further, use 20 more, and beat it. Or they may not even use that many.

Being able to purchase pots was a novelty. We weren't used to it, and treated it like a joke. One of the clerics at one point didn't bother to shrine, but just chugged pots to fill up an entire mana bar, and laughed about it. The behavior on beta will not occur on the live servers. The biggest thing that will go towards reducing pot usage will be running this on live, where people actually care about spending their resources.

In addition, people in this group, while familiar with each other, weren't necessarily as cohesive as some of the groups/guild groups that will be trying this raid out their first time. Also remember that these characters were from about 6 months ago on the beta server.

Add in the fact that the first night we walked into the raid, there was only 5 of us for 2 runs, then 4 of us for another 3 or so runs. This all adds up to some inflated pot usage numbers.

I wouldn't be too worried about the pot usage. I was able to see, in only a few short runs, how the raid will become more organized and manageable. This raid will start off similarly to VOD and shroud in terms of pot usage, and on normal difficulty, eventually, people will be using little to no resources once they get their system down. For some, this may be on their 2nd run, while others, it may take a bit longer. I don't think people will need to run it with a dedicated healer for each melee.

Hey all. Great job. I am curious how many pots did it take on elite? Did you get them from the DDO Store? I thought I saw something like 140 posted earlier but maybe it had been edited out.

That's probably around what we used. But we've had to go in with new groups every time, so for some people in that elite run, it was their first time in that raid, or they were only in once before.

[totmacher]

pot usage has gone down. but it's not totally knocked out yet!

[Shade]

pot usage has gone down. but it's not totally knocked out yet!

Was for my first elite. 0 pots 0 deaths part 2-3.
Admittedly 4 were used on part 1 after we lost a cleric early on.

Key is just having allot of DPS, solid scroll mastery healing and tier'd healing.. I generally assign only 1-2 healers on my tank at a time.. Leaving 1+ at full mana when the other 2 run out to start up.

[Mhykke]

pot usage has gone down. but it's not totally knocked out yet!

What are you talking about? I've been in a number of new raid runs with zero pots used.

Ask Seal and Tristen the last time they were on their clerics in there with me, both said zero pots used, only used their mana clicky.