Silly Shroud assignments

[ghale]

If you have a group that has rogues, barbarians, rangers, or any other melee character, assigning the rogue to "DPS" the elemental lt. in part 2 is probably not the best choice.

If you need help understanding this please read the following about sneak attacks.

"The rogue has the ability to deliver a sneak attack whenever an opponent loses its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class (i.e., when the opponent is flat-footed or flanked or cannot see the rogue). The rogue can then take advantage of this momentary weakness to strike at a vital part of the anatomy (provided the creature has a discernible enough anatomy to suffer a critical hit)."

IE. Not an elemental.

You know who you are!

[Lithic]

You know whats even worse? When its the EARTH elemental they send you to.

Happened to me on Argo.

[Sweyn]

Could be worse if they sent the monk

[Thrudh]

I think it's silly every time a group sends a pure caster to get the fire elemental when there's a ranger is in the group, but most groups do it.

[Impaqt]

I have a Character with a Rogue icon that routinely takes down the elementals solo. Or at least gets em down to under 10% by the time the other 3 are down....

Just because I don't get my sneak attack damage doesn't mean I cant kill stuff.

Often its just distrationary. Have one person pull the ele away so you dont have to deal with the Fire Sheild or Stoneskin. Sounds like a good job for most rogues to me.

[maddmatt70]

I have a Character with a Rogue icon that routinely takes down the elementals solo. Or at least gets em down to under 10% by the time the other 3 are down....

Just because I don't get my sneak attack damage doesn't mean I cant kill stuff.

Often its just distrationary. Have one person pull the ele away so you dont have to deal with the Fire Sheild or Stoneskin. Sounds like a good job for most rogues to me.

Sigh its not about whether somebody can melee or solo something its about the loss of dps. If you were on the lieutenants that could be snuck attack you would do more dps and therefore the lieutenants as a group would go down quicker. I would prefer virtually any other character over a rogue.

[maddmatt70]

I think it's silly every time a group sends a pure caster to get the fire elemental when there's a ranger is in the group, but most groups do it.

On your server perhaps on Khyber rangers mostly kill the elementals. In my groups its a ranger and a bard on the elemental.

[HeavenlyCloud]

You know whats even worse? When its the EARTH elemental they send you to.

Happened to me on Argo.

Gimp

[Thrudh]

On your server perhaps on Khyber rangers mostly kill the elementals. In my groups its a ranger and a bard on the elemental.

I wish Thelanis would get the memo then....

[Emili]

Personally I hate being asked to plunge the pool in part 3.

[Impaqt]

I wish Thelanis would get the memo then....

Join my groups. Unless we have 2 casters, an arcane is never on an ele.

[ghale]

Personally I hate being asked to plunge the pool in part 3.

I don't think I even want to know what that refers too...

[ChaelaAnne]

Perhaps it has less to do with dps and more to do with evasion?

[Draccus]

Like was mentioned above, "taking the elemental" is usually to hold him away from the main group until they are ready to take him down. It has less to do with damage dealt and more to do with damage avoided.

With improved evasion, a high reflex save, and self healing, a rogue is an acceptible candidate to occupy the fire elemental while the rest of the group kills the others. No, he's probably not going to have the elemental down to 10% health but he won't need a cleric babysitting him either.

I hate seeing a non-WF caster assigned to the fire elemental when I'm playing my cleric in the shroud. I know I'm going running back and forth keeping him healed.

(although, to be honest, even PUG shrouds are getting so automatic that it really doesn't matter much who does what )

[maddmatt70]

Like was mentioned above, "taking the elemental" is usually to hold him away from the main group until they are ready to take him down. It has less to do with damage dealt and more to do with damage avoided.

With improved evasion, a high reflex save, and self healing, a rogue is an acceptible candidate to occupy the fire elemental while the rest of the group kills the others. No, he's probably not going to have the elemental down to 10% health but he won't need a cleric babysitting him either.

Nope. less dps is not acceptable end of story.

[Impaqt]

Nope. less dps is not acceptable end of story.

Well, many rangers do not have Elemental as a Fav Enemy. So do they realy do that much more damage than a well built rogue?

So if your pulling a Ranger from a group of mobs he does have FE for, seems to me its a Wash.

[maddmatt70]

Well, many rangers do not have Elemental as a Fav Enemy. So do they realy do that much more damage than a well built rogue?

So if your pulling a Ranger from a group of mobs he does have FE for, seems to me its a Wash.

If they do not have favored enemy elemental I put another character on the elemental.

[MysticRhythms]

I wish Thelanis would get the memo then....

I'm on Thelanis and have never been in a group that didn't use the Bard + Ranger/Paladin/Barbarian combo. I'm often the Bard or Ranger doign it when I'm in a Shroud group and the elemental pops.

[Slink]

One big difference:

The MAJORITY or rogues are dex based and rely on sneak attack damage to do DPS.

The MAJORITY of rangers have tempest enhancement lines and dont rely upon sneak attack for the majority of their DPS.

Even if the ranger does not have favored enemy elemental, they will likely still do more damage than the rogue.

end of story.

S.

[ghale]

Well, many rangers do not have Elemental as a Fav Enemy. So do they realy do that much more damage than a well built rogue?

So if your pulling a Ranger from a group of mobs he does have FE for, seems to me its a Wash.

Even if they don't do that much more damage than a well built rogue, the rogue does more damage vs. any of the other mobs.