Silly Shroud assignments

[ghale]

If you have a group that has rogues, barbarians, rangers, or any other melee character, assigning the rogue to "DPS" the elemental lt. in part 2 is probably not the best choice.

If you need help understanding this please read the following about sneak attacks.

"The rogue has the ability to deliver a sneak attack whenever an opponent loses its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class (i.e., when the opponent is flat-footed or flanked or cannot see the rogue). The rogue can then take advantage of this momentary weakness to strike at a vital part of the anatomy (provided the creature has a discernible enough anatomy to suffer a critical hit)."

IE. Not an elemental.

You know who you are!

[Lithic]

You know whats even worse? When its the EARTH elemental they send you to.

Happened to me on Argo.

[Sweyn]

Could be worse if they sent the monk

[Thrudh]

I think it's silly every time a group sends a pure caster to get the fire elemental when there's a ranger is in the group, but most groups do it.

[maddmatt70]

I think it's silly every time a group sends a pure caster to get the fire elemental when there's a ranger is in the group, but most groups do it.

On your server perhaps on Khyber rangers mostly kill the elementals. In my groups its a ranger and a bard on the elemental.

[Thrudh]

On your server perhaps on Khyber rangers mostly kill the elementals. In my groups its a ranger and a bard on the elemental.

I wish Thelanis would get the memo then....

[Impaqt]

I have a Character with a Rogue icon that routinely takes down the elementals solo. Or at least gets em down to under 10% by the time the other 3 are down....

Just because I don't get my sneak attack damage doesn't mean I cant kill stuff.

Often its just distrationary. Have one person pull the ele away so you dont have to deal with the Fire Sheild or Stoneskin. Sounds like a good job for most rogues to me.

[maddmatt70]

I have a Character with a Rogue icon that routinely takes down the elementals solo. Or at least gets em down to under 10% by the time the other 3 are down....

Just because I don't get my sneak attack damage doesn't mean I cant kill stuff.

Often its just distrationary. Have one person pull the ele away so you dont have to deal with the Fire Sheild or Stoneskin. Sounds like a good job for most rogues to me.

Sigh its not about whether somebody can melee or solo something its about the loss of dps. If you were on the lieutenants that could be snuck attack you would do more dps and therefore the lieutenants as a group would go down quicker. I would prefer virtually any other character over a rogue.

[Samadhi]

i Have A Character With A Rogue Icon That Routinely Takes Down The Elementals Solo. Or At Least Gets Em Down To Under 10% By The Time The Other 3 Are Down....

Just Because I Don't Get My Sneak Attack Damage Doesn't Mean I Cant Kill Stuff.

Often Its Just Distrationary. Have One Person Pull The Ele Away So You Dont Have To Deal With The Fire Sheild Or Stoneskin. Sounds Like A Good Job For Most Rogues To Me.

Qft.

[Aerniel]

Could be worse if they sent the monk

everythings worse when you send the monk

[HeavenlyCloud]

You know whats even worse? When its the EARTH elemental they send you to.

Happened to me on Argo.

Gimp

[Emili]

Personally I hate being asked to plunge the pool in part 3.

[ghale]

Personally I hate being asked to plunge the pool in part 3.

I don't think I even want to know what that refers too...

[ChaelaAnne]

Perhaps it has less to do with dps and more to do with evasion?

[Bunker]

If you have a group that has rogues, barbarians, rangers, or any other melee character, assigning the rogue to "DPS" the elemental lt. in part 2 is probably not the best choice.

If you need help understanding this please read the following about sneak attacks.

"The rogue has the ability to deliver a sneak attack whenever an opponent loses its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class (i.e., when the opponent is flat-footed or flanked or cannot see the rogue). The rogue can then take advantage of this momentary weakness to strike at a vital part of the anatomy (provided the creature has a discernible enough anatomy to suffer a critical hit)."

IE. Not an elemental.

You know who you are!

I have to respectfully disagree. The idea behind a rogue taking on the elemental (assuming we are talking about the fire elie) is that improved evasion or even evasion is such an advantage in survival. If he/she has a halfway decent enough weapon for the elemental, then it is putty in the rogues hands.

If this thought is stemming from a bad experience with a rogue and an elemental in part 2, perhaps it was the player behind the rogue and not the actual rogue class.

[maddmatt70]

I have to respectfully disagree. The idea behind a rogue taking on the elemental (assuming we are talking about the fire elie) is that improved evasion or even evasion is such an advantage in survival. If he/she has a halfway decent enough weapon for the elemental, then it is putty in the rogues hands.

If this thought is stemming from a bad experience with a rogue and an elemental in part 2, perhaps it was the player behind the rogue and not the actual rogue class.

The idea is to kill mobs fast. What does the bard do in your groups stand there like a bunch of !!@#!$? If it is a healing bard or spellsinger bard in your group they can keep one yahoo up no problem. If it is a battle bard they can play it like a traditional battle cleric melee and and keep the other player up while they fight with a displace on both bard and melee for good measure. The other alternative is to just kill all the mobs in one place and separate when you drop a mob to 0 health. This is probably not the best tactic for a pure pug, but for a more veteran group would work fine.

[Arkat]

Sorry but I just have this image in my head of a bunch of nut jobs putting up an LFM for and then running a "Silly Shroud."

It'd be like a Shroud run in the Bizarro world.

Fun, but not successful most likely.

[Disavowed]

First off it was me and the rogue assigned to the fire ele (Iwas the bard). I was playing a strength based WF BattleBard 30 Str and I have evasion along with GTR ELE bane weapon. I can take down the ele on my own and the leader knew that. He was sent a pm from me. The rogue was there just as back up. I had Prot and resist wands and me and the rogue would have been fine or any other toon down there with me.

The problem was it was his group not yours. You constantly argued with him about every little thing in the quest. As you did with everyone else including me. Here's a few examples. He said take ele to SW not the norm but his group his call. You argues that agter the mobs were already pulled. Ther caster was also assinged to the group and you got into it with him as well during this on where you should be. "you just can't listen or follow directions can you" Is what the caster said to you. At the start of the quest while buffing for part 1. I state I'm not throwing GH I'm just throwing good hope. You say no you need to pass out GH cuz it makes you do more damage to the portal (WRONG!!!!).

My reply no it does not. GH only adds to your to hit & you're already going to hit on a one. GH does not add extra damage but good hope does along with my songs. So you keep arguing the point and I throw GH on a few peeps and it over rides their GH and you clearly can see in the description that it can't add extra damage, only extra to hit. You and the ranger who had no bark, ele resist, ele prot, or poison prot spells or wands (No spells due to level fine. No wands unacceptable) still insist on GH. I state I'm not high enough level to throw it on anything but scrolls and I'm not wasting the scroll just to lose DPS to pound portals.

It was no different when you were in my Shroud run that I was running on my cleric. You demanded True Seeing and I said I'm just going to dispell the portals. You say you need it anyway. I ask why? You say because the casters put blur on themselves. My reply you better not be swinging at the mobs you better be pounding the portals. We have 2 casters they can finger the mobs. You stil insist on a TS. You didn't get it but you went after the mobs anyway.

There is no way you can argue that any melee toon in part one should be doing anything but pounding portals when there is 2 casters. Yet you still did it. So it's hypocritical to cry about not maximizing where DPS goes when you do the very same thing in the part 1. If you truly were of the mindset, maximize DPS no rogues on eles. Then you should be of the mindset maximize DPS, no melees on mobs when we have 2 casters.

The bottom line is this if you dont have the star. Let the leader call the shots. If you want to have some input fine but don't undermine every little thing the leader says. Especially when you make statements on how things work and you're not right about your statement. Few of us know every little in & out of the game. You & I both are one of those that don't. So let the leader do it his way. I don't have a problem running with you. We've ran a lot of quests together and your toons are well built and do the job. I don't think I've ever ran with the leader before so I'm not sticking up for him either. I'm just stating the facts.

Was it the wrong 2nd toon to send down there? Maybe, but he knew I could solo the ele as I ended up doing so it was not a big deal. You didn't know I was capable of soling it he did. So just follow his orders. Trust me I wasn't sent there to be a healbot. I was sent there to babysit as I dished out damage and keep the agro.

[Delt]

Good rogues can solo the elemental. Most rogues, in my estimation, aren't good (low STR, finesse halfers without the proper gear).

In a PUG, you don't always know everyone's ability is - so sticking a rogue there is a safe choice. Hell, no matter what kinda toon it is, it can't be screwed up enough to have gimped it's evasion.

[ghale]

First off it was me and the rogue assigned to the fire ele (Iwas the bard). I was playing a strength based WF BattleBard 30 Str and I have evasion along with GTR ELE bane weapon. I can take down the ele on my own and the leader knew that. He was sent a pm from me. The rogue was there just as back up. I had Prot and resist wands and me and the rogue would have been fine or any other toon down there with me.

The problem was it was his group not yours. You constantly argued with him about every little thing in the quest. As you did with everyone else including me. Here's a few examples. He said take ele to SW not the norm but his group his call. You argues that agter the mobs were already pulled. Ther caster was also assinged to the group and you got into it with him as well during this on where you should be. "you just can't listen or follow directions can you" Is what the caster said to you. At the start of the quest while buffing for part 1. I state I'm not throwing GH I'm just throwing good hope. You say no you need to pass out GH cuz it makes you do more damage to the portal (WRONG!!!!).

My reply no it does not. GH only adds to your to hit & you're already going to hit on a one. GH does not add extra damage but good hope does along with my songs. So you keep arguing the point and I throw GH on a few peeps and it over rides their GH and you clearly can see in the description that it can't add extra damage, only extra to hit. You and the ranger who had no bark, ele resist, ele prot, or poison prot spells or wands (No spells due to level fine. No wands unacceptable) still insist on GH. I state I'm not high enough level to throw it on anything but scrolls and I'm not wasting the scroll just to lose DPS to pound portals.

It was no different when you were in my Shroud run that I was running on my cleric. You demanded True Seeing and I said I'm just going to dispell the portals. You say you need it anyway. I ask why? You say because the casters put blur on themselves. My reply you better not be swinging at the mobs you better be pounding the portals. We have 2 casters they can finger the mobs. You stil insist on a TS. You didn't get it but you went after the mobs anyway.

There is no way you can argue that any melee toon in part one should be doing anything but pounding portals when there is 2 casters. Yet you still did it. So it's hypocritical to cry about not maximizing where DPS goes when you do the very same thing in the part 1. If you truly were of the mindset, maximize DPS no rogues on eles. Then you should be of the mindset maximize DPS, no melees on mobs when we have 2 casters.

The bottom line is this if you dont have the star. Let the leader call the shots. If you want to have some input fine but don't undermine every little thing the leader says. Especially when you make statements on how things work and you're not right about your statement. Few of us know every little in & out of the game. You & I both are one of those that don't. So let the leader do it his way. I don't have a problem running with you. We've ran a lot of quests together and your toons are well built and do the job. I don't think I've ever ran with the leader before so I'm not sticking up for him either. I'm just stating the facts.

Was it the wrong 2nd toon to send down there? Maybe, but he knew I could solo the ele as I ended up doing so it was not a big deal. You didn't know I was capable of soling it he did. So just follow his orders. Trust me I wasn't sent there to be a healbot. I was sent there to babysit as I dished out damage and keep the agro.

Uh What? WOW! Someone is angry and talking to the wrong person.

1. I have no idea who you are.
2. I wasn't on this raid or have no idea what you are talking about.
3. I never ask for TS
4. Too many other points to go over in your post, but really it is funny that you're "stating the facts" to the wrong person.
5. Really someone thought GH added DPS to the portals? well there's another noob for you.
6. Even though your post was a huge failure, I'll still give you +1 for how funny of a rant it was.


Also to address all the people only focusing on the fire elemental...sure evasion can help there...but rogues still do the lowest dps and there is 100% no reason to put a rogue on the earth elemental unless the whole raid happens to be rogues.