Silly Shroud assignments

[KingOfCheese]

I hate seeing a non-WF caster assigned to the fire elemental when I'm playing my cleric in the shroud. I know I'm going running back and forth keeping him healed.

If a caster knows how to play this--human and drow (and WF) are immune to damage on fire ellie and can take it down (or prep and hold it) better than any class. Cast cold shield, cast damage spell (polar ray or cone of cold) (or 2), cast fire protect, cast cold spell (or 2), cast fire protect, etc. Caster won't take 1 hp of damage. And can take the fire ellie down as fast or slow as the group needs. Once prepped (the caster will almost always have it prepped before the group is done with the other 3), just spam fire protect on yourself until you get the word to drop the ellie.

[Impaqt]

Even if they don't do that much more damage than a well built rogue, the rogue does more damage vs. any of the other mobs.

Maybe your worried about timing? Most groups I'm in can take each mob down one at a time in succession and still have plenty of time to smoke the crystal.

Its never about someone racing the rest of the group when it comes to killing the fourth LT. (Usually the Ele) Kill the three, then kill the Ele.

If hes a Good rogue, hes doing damage to the ele. If hes a Crappy rogue, hes keeping the ele occupied until the other 3 are dead.

You simply dont need to kill the ele at the same time as the others.. If it takes 5-10 seconds to finish him off after the other 3 are dead, its not a big deal.

[Mhykke]

Put the monk on the ele, he should be able to take it down while others work on their mobs.

[Quikster]

What about a cleric dps'n the fiend. Had a cleric drop group on me a few weeks ago when I asked her to do this. She told me she wasnt going to waste her sp on dps (obviously if its the only clr its a little diff, but this group had three)

[sephiroth1084]

I get stuck on the fire ele when on my caster somewhat frequently. Usually not a problem for me as long as the group doesn't expect him down too quickly (Khyber), though I do tend to go through 10-20 CSW pots in the process.

And I always grab fire's aggro at the beginning of part 5 and kite him around until the 2 other lieutenants we're not saving are down.

[SimVerg]

If a caster knows how to play this--human and drow (and WF) are immune to damage on fire ellie and can take it down (or prep and hold it) better than any class. Cast cold shield, cast damage spell (polar ray or cone of cold) (or 2), cast fire protect, cast cold spell (or 2), cast fire protect, etc. Caster won't take 1 hp of damage. And can take the fire ellie down as fast or slow as the group needs. Once prepped (the caster will almost always have it prepped before the group is done with the other 3), just spam fire protect on yourself until you get the word to drop the ellie.

Or you could just jump to the side and dodge the fireball(unless its lagging too badly...but if it is, the rest of them will likely be dead in 20 seconds anyways).

[Raegoul]

Dear Ghale,

It is hard to believe that this person still does it this way.

Yes this person did the same thing on Argonessen when they were there.

Part 2 of the Shroud is very difficult for this person to understand.


To all the others Matt is right DPS is the way to go

[Slink]

Dear Ghale,

It is hard to believe that this person still does it this way.

Yes this person did the same thing on Argonessen when they were there.

Part 2 of the Shroud is very difficult for this person to understand.


To all the others Matt is right DPS is the way to go

You feeling ok?

[sephiroth1084]

Or you could just jump to the side and dodge the fireball(unless its lagging too badly...but if it is, the rest of them will likely be dead in 20 seconds anyways).

I prefer a mix of both dodging and keeping up protection. Dodging definitely ensures that you won't be out of SP too swiftly.

[ghale]

Maybe your worried about timing? Most groups I'm in can take each mob down one at a time in succession and still have plenty of time to smoke the crystal.

Its never about someone racing the rest of the group when it comes to killing the fourth LT. (Usually the Ele) Kill the three, then kill the Ele.

If hes a Good rogue, hes doing damage to the ele. If hes a Crappy rogue, hes keeping the ele occupied until the other 3 are dead.

You simply dont need to kill the ele at the same time as the others.. If it takes 5-10 seconds to finish him off after the other 3 are dead, its not a big deal.

It's not about timing at all....It is about the silliness of someone trying to assign a rogue to take down the health of the earth elemental or fire when their dps is much higher on any of the other Lts.

I really don't get what is so hard to understand about that?

[Arkat]

Put the monk on the ele, he should be able to take it down while others work on their mobs.

As long as he's a WF Monk I TOTALLY agree.

I often get assigned the Elemental duty.

[Raegoul]

You feeling ok?

Yes

[Strakeln]

I'd say a caster or a rogue should be able to solo either elemental.

That said, it's not the best way to get the job done, as Matt pointed out.

[Aranticus]

It's not about timing at all....It is about the silliness of someone trying to assign a rogue to take down the health of the earth elemental or fire when their dps is much higher on any of the other Lts.

I really don't get what is so hard to understand about that?

when you have a good reliable rogue, the fire elemental and no other evasion toons in the party, its a good strategy to put rogue on fire ele to save resources. i find that when i put a non evasion toon on the fire ele, a ton of resources is needed to keep him alive (note: this is if the melee does not have cold shield/greaves)

if i have a good wf caster in the party, its usually fire ele for them, or rangers. what i cannot really understand are fighters trying to take on the gnoll. leave it to the monk or pally!

[Bunker]

If you have a group that has rogues, barbarians, rangers, or any other melee character, assigning the rogue to "DPS" the elemental lt. in part 2 is probably not the best choice.

If you need help understanding this please read the following about sneak attacks.

"The rogue has the ability to deliver a sneak attack whenever an opponent loses its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class (i.e., when the opponent is flat-footed or flanked or cannot see the rogue). The rogue can then take advantage of this momentary weakness to strike at a vital part of the anatomy (provided the creature has a discernible enough anatomy to suffer a critical hit)."

IE. Not an elemental.

You know who you are!

I have to respectfully disagree. The idea behind a rogue taking on the elemental (assuming we are talking about the fire elie) is that improved evasion or even evasion is such an advantage in survival. If he/she has a halfway decent enough weapon for the elemental, then it is putty in the rogues hands.

If this thought is stemming from a bad experience with a rogue and an elemental in part 2, perhaps it was the player behind the rogue and not the actual rogue class.

[maddmatt70]

I have to respectfully disagree. The idea behind a rogue taking on the elemental (assuming we are talking about the fire elie) is that improved evasion or even evasion is such an advantage in survival. If he/she has a halfway decent enough weapon for the elemental, then it is putty in the rogues hands.

If this thought is stemming from a bad experience with a rogue and an elemental in part 2, perhaps it was the player behind the rogue and not the actual rogue class.

The idea is to kill mobs fast. What does the bard do in your groups stand there like a bunch of !!@#!$? If it is a healing bard or spellsinger bard in your group they can keep one yahoo up no problem. If it is a battle bard they can play it like a traditional battle cleric melee and and keep the other player up while they fight with a displace on both bard and melee for good measure. The other alternative is to just kill all the mobs in one place and separate when you drop a mob to 0 health. This is probably not the best tactic for a pure pug, but for a more veteran group would work fine.

[Arkat]

Sorry but I just have this image in my head of a bunch of nut jobs putting up an LFM for and then running a "Silly Shroud."

It'd be like a Shroud run in the Bizarro world.

Fun, but not successful most likely.

[Disavowed]

First off it was me and the rogue assigned to the fire ele (Iwas the bard). I was playing a strength based WF BattleBard 30 Str and I have evasion along with GTR ELE bane weapon. I can take down the ele on my own and the leader knew that. He was sent a pm from me. The rogue was there just as back up. I had Prot and resist wands and me and the rogue would have been fine or any other toon down there with me.

The problem was it was his group not yours. You constantly argued with him about every little thing in the quest. As you did with everyone else including me. Here's a few examples. He said take ele to SW not the norm but his group his call. You argues that agter the mobs were already pulled. Ther caster was also assinged to the group and you got into it with him as well during this on where you should be. "you just can't listen or follow directions can you" Is what the caster said to you. At the start of the quest while buffing for part 1. I state I'm not throwing GH I'm just throwing good hope. You say no you need to pass out GH cuz it makes you do more damage to the portal (WRONG!!!!).

My reply no it does not. GH only adds to your to hit & you're already going to hit on a one. GH does not add extra damage but good hope does along with my songs. So you keep arguing the point and I throw GH on a few peeps and it over rides their GH and you clearly can see in the description that it can't add extra damage, only extra to hit. You and the ranger who had no bark, ele resist, ele prot, or poison prot spells or wands (No spells due to level fine. No wands unacceptable) still insist on GH. I state I'm not high enough level to throw it on anything but scrolls and I'm not wasting the scroll just to lose DPS to pound portals.

It was no different when you were in my Shroud run that I was running on my cleric. You demanded True Seeing and I said I'm just going to dispell the portals. You say you need it anyway. I ask why? You say because the casters put blur on themselves. My reply you better not be swinging at the mobs you better be pounding the portals. We have 2 casters they can finger the mobs. You stil insist on a TS. You didn't get it but you went after the mobs anyway.

There is no way you can argue that any melee toon in part one should be doing anything but pounding portals when there is 2 casters. Yet you still did it. So it's hypocritical to cry about not maximizing where DPS goes when you do the very same thing in the part 1. If you truly were of the mindset, maximize DPS no rogues on eles. Then you should be of the mindset maximize DPS, no melees on mobs when we have 2 casters.

The bottom line is this if you dont have the star. Let the leader call the shots. If you want to have some input fine but don't undermine every little thing the leader says. Especially when you make statements on how things work and you're not right about your statement. Few of us know every little in & out of the game. You & I both are one of those that don't. So let the leader do it his way. I don't have a problem running with you. We've ran a lot of quests together and your toons are well built and do the job. I don't think I've ever ran with the leader before so I'm not sticking up for him either. I'm just stating the facts.

Was it the wrong 2nd toon to send down there? Maybe, but he knew I could solo the ele as I ended up doing so it was not a big deal. You didn't know I was capable of soling it he did. So just follow his orders. Trust me I wasn't sent there to be a healbot. I was sent there to babysit as I dished out damage and keep the agro.

[Delt]

Good rogues can solo the elemental. Most rogues, in my estimation, aren't good (low STR, finesse halfers without the proper gear).

In a PUG, you don't always know everyone's ability is - so sticking a rogue there is a safe choice. Hell, no matter what kinda toon it is, it can't be screwed up enough to have gimped it's evasion.

[maddmatt70]

Good rogues can solo the elemental. Most rogues, in my estimation, aren't good (low STR, finesse halfers without the proper gear).

In a PUG, you don't always know everyone's ability is - so sticking a rogue there is a safe choice. Hell, no matter what kinda toon it is, it can't be screwed up enough to have gimped it's evasion.

I keep seeing these thelanis folks post this drivel here. I can't help but think they should rethink their strategy. A rogue is a bad choice because it loses more dps then any other build by fighting the elemental. A ranger, evasion splash builds, monk are all stronger, as are basically all non evasion builds.