Clerics taken for granted

[Fenrisulven6]

complain about scrolls and wands, but they forgot, all other melee's have to buy weapons, and armor and stuff. Espially those TWF. 2 vorpals, 2 disruptors, 2 smiters, 2 paralyzers, 2 good dps weapon.

No comparison. Scrolls/wands are perishable. Weaps/armor can be resold/traded/passed down.

And mine also buys "disruptors, smiters, paralyzers, good dps weapon". Also cursespew and destruction, to help out the melees...

What do clerics buy? maybe a stat item (same as other classes) and a potency/sp item. THATS IT.

I thought you just claimed to play a cleric? We ALSO buy weaps and armor. And mana pots.

Want to trade for a used mana pot?

So while melee spends $$ on weapons, pots, armor, and stuff, you spend it on srcolls, it comes out even.

Nope. Cleric spends $$ on weapons, pots, armor, AND scrolls, wands, mana pots etc.

[Sweyn]

I thought you just claimed to play a cleric? We ALSO buy weaps and armor. And mana pots.

"We ALSO buy weaps and armor" What we? every cleric in the game? Are you assuming every cleric plays the same, or evey cleric melee's? And honestly, i have about ~25-30 pots to all my toons. Not alot compared to other people, but its enough if i need to drink on or a few in a quest. All mine came from loot and ppl giving them to me. If you find the need to buy pots, your doing something wrong.

And once you start raiding, you get more money in vendor trash than you spend on scrolls. Plus if you find an uber item, you can sell it for even more.

There is no reason for your cleric(s) to dig such a hole in your wallet, or for them to be treated special.

[Fenrisulven6]

What we? every cleric in the game? Are you assuming every cleric plays the same

Isn't that what you're doing?

or evey cleric melee's?

Are you playing a Cleric or a Healbot?

[Kalari]

Every few months (okay maybe weeks) this type thread pops up. Someone offends another person playing a cleric they run to the forums about lack of appreciation. Or a cleric who is either new at it or had a bad run with a pug comes and says "This class is too expensive donations please!"

Granted many people who dont play clerics dont understand that it can be hard many people behind the characters take a personal stake at making sure the party is up and succeeds at the quest/raid.

But there are many who do know what goes into playing a cleric many who have quite a few at various levels under our belts. Some who bravely started out as healers without bank roll characters or some like me who had a character that was making money from raiding to fund my first capped cleric and the second one that is near capped. Who also due to the challenge started up clerics on other servers without the cushion to see how id be able to handle it.

All I can say is that when I keep the party up and do my part to keep the quest going smoothly (crowd control and the like) I get appreciation. Its easy to come in and complain on the forums about people not appreciating clerics but its always one side. In all my girls my clerics get the most appreciation and thanks. No one thanks my mage for holding/webbing mobs or using an insta kill spell. No one thanks my ranger for buffs like bark skin and resists or cutting down mobs fast with her weapons. Or my bard for playing songs to boost party attacks and the like. No one thanks my rogues for getting down the traps (well okay sometimes I get a good job).

Point blank just like every other member of your team as long as your doing your part to make the quest/raid successful your appreciated. And I know I personally dont need the constant praised heaped on my shoulder when I toss a heal. It annoys me more then anything else cause it feels like people have been programed to kiss clerics asses. And ive seen some less then spectacular clerics who if it wasnt for umd and my ability to heal others even on non healing characters wed have wiped. So yeah I get that clericing is a tough job but I dont feel this lack of appreciation on any of my clerics. So sorry you had a rough time op but you have to look at every end of the situation. Its easy to say people dont appreciate you, but are you doing what you can as a party member to be appreciated?

[Braegan]

Its easy to say people dont appreciate you, but are you doing what you can as a party member to be appreciated?

Well said!

[Vileborg]

I'm a pure healer build, but my backpack rivals most melees in the weapons I carry for various situations.

I have the obvious Greater Pot/Pen sceptres, 1 Axiom PG, 1 Flaming PG, 2 construct banes (portal beaters), 2 Transmuters, and a pair of ghost touch maces. Granted I'm in the process of building two Greensteel heavy maces (Holy/Acid Burst/Acid Blast/Transmuting/Impact/Mineral with stoneskin clicky) that should replace most of my weapon sets.

As far as gold is concerned, I can run solo loot runs in the desert and in the vale so I really never want for anything.

Even in my gimped healer build w/o Spell Pen enhance, I still do fining kiting stuff around the outer edge of blade barriers, or using Destruct/Banish with my spell pen weapon, and a Prayer Spell.

[Jasoul]

Billybadass? Tough guy reply?

*goes back and reads his first post*

Was it that you had this idiotic "billybadass" angle stashed and got so giddy at the prospect of using it that you simply didn't care if it really applied? Maybe you should start shelving more varied material if you don't want to appear so ridiculous in the future...

i guess you have the market cornered for appearing ridiculous? i have been in some of your shrouds, so how is that i only do shroud with a static group???? maybe...you either just didnt realize, or maybe you just type before actually knowing what your typing? or maybe it is you that is very VERY high at any point.

[ariel7]

...Granted I'm in the process of building two Greensteel heavy maces (Holy/Acid Burst/Acid Blast/Transmuting/Impact/Mineral with stoneskin clicky) that should replace most of my weapon sets.

wow. I really admire your commitment. I can't imagine actually using ten larges on mineral II heavy maces for a healbot. My cleric (the one I think is better by far) is an offensive caster. Has a gs triple earth wisdom +9 scepter (buddy made one b accident so I helped him out) a potency item, vorpal, portal beater and a transmuting of pure good. Not sure he'll get anything new in mod nine. Maybe a higher level potency and maybe spell pen back weapon instead if armor. But 24 str or not no way in Eberron he gets ten large scales on weapons. My other cleric even less - no transmuter no vorpal no portal beater. Only a pg.

[Enochroot]

I'm a pure healer build, but my backpack rivals most melees in the weapons I carry for various situations.

I have the obvious Greater Pot/Pen sceptres, 1 Axiom PG, 1 Flaming PG, 2 construct banes (portal beaters), 2 Transmuters, and a pair of ghost touch maces. Granted I'm in the process of building two Greensteel heavy maces (Holy/Acid Burst/Acid Blast/Transmuting/Impact/Mineral with stoneskin clicky) that should replace most of my weapon sets.

As far as gold is concerned, I can run solo loot runs in the desert and in the vale so I really never want for anything.

Even in my gimped healer build w/o Spell Pen enhance, I still do fining kiting stuff around the outer edge of blade barriers, or using Destruct/Banish with my spell pen weapon, and a Prayer Spell.

First of all - if you think that rivals most melee's weaponsets - you play with terrible melee players. Of course, you go on to say later in the post you carry a destruct/banisher - so, who knows what you have I guess.


Regardless - unless you already have spell point/hit point/immunity lines concordante opp, +3 exceptional wis, it seems like those larges could go to much better use on your "healer" build than Min. II's... unless of course, you're not really a "pure healbot".

[Eleia]

Every few months (okay maybe weeks) this type thread pops up. Someone offends another person playing a cleric they run to the forums about lack of appreciation. Or a cleric who is either new at it or had a bad run with a pug comes and says "This class is too expensive donations please!"

Its easy to come in and complain on the forums about people not appreciating clerics but its always one side.

And I know I personally dont need the constant praised heaped on my shoulder when I toss a heal. It annoys me more then anything else cause it feels like people have been programed to kiss clerics asses.

So sorry you had a rough time op but you have to look at every end of the situation. Its easy to say people dont appreciate you, but are you doing what you can as a party member to be appreciated?

I started playing DDO when Fernia was still a server. Took a long break, came back, and found Fernia was gone and ended up on another server.
I've been "clericing" for nine years now in different mmorpgs, and am honestly a great healer. I don't expect to have my butt kissed, and hate it when people thank me for a heal; in all honesty I think it's kind of freaky people do that here. But hey, nice is nice.

I read the forums, and the hubby and I decided to roll a cleric/fighter combo. We wanted the 32 pt build, and figured it was the perfect combo for getting in and making groups. (And it has been) It was my choice to make a heal-bot, and I knew what I was getting into.

I have restores, cures of this and that, heals, buffs, cc, debuffs, you name it; I try to have it up. I bought wands, remove this and that wands, a few scrolls, and even went elf for the level 6 res. in case I run out of sp.
I started out with 20k pp after selling all my gimped toon's items, and have managed to maintain the same amount between grouping and duoing to level 10.
In a month's time, only one person in my group has ever died (he ticked me off), and no one can have any complaint about my play style in group. I sound burst, gc, group heal when needed, and usually walk around with empowered healing up and tons of spell points.

I keep my opinions about people's play styles to myself, have a great attitude in groups and never walk in or out of a group with a sour ego-maniacal attitude.
Even with all that, for the past month and a half since coming back, I have listened to a litany of people in vc during groups whine and moan about clerics elitists attitudes, how clerics always try to control the group (I'm too busy to use vc, and quite honestly too lazy to push the talk button), and a wide variety of angry/weird comments from random pugs.
I joined a guild on my server that was highly recommended, and have listened/read many members saying the same things, saying how playing a cleric was guild suicide, and neither would anyone group with a cleric, nor would said cleric raid. (They weren’t kidding either)
I'm in no way trying to single you out, but honestly, I'd love to meet the players that have been programmed to kiss ass, because all the cleric hate I've encountered lately has appalled me. It's a game, and it's a class.
In all honesty, it appears as if some of vets have gotten so jaded by the needy/whiny clerics some of the new clerics are getting the short end of the stick without getting the chance to prove our own worth.
I've retired my cleric this week, and made a sorcerer. Joined a new guild, and hubby and I are grouping again. It's a whole new world, and people are actually nicer.
Hopefully I'll be able to bring her out of hiding one day, but honestly, with the attitude I've seen so far, I don't blame the op for his complaints. If this was my first cleric I'd ever played in a mmorpg, I'd be demanding a whole ton of **** to heal people and listen to that junk.
**Just my opinion.**

[FluffyCalico]

I started playing DDO when Fernia was still a server. Took a long break, came back, and found Fernia was gone and ended up on another server.
I've been "clericing" for nine years now in different mmorpgs, and am honestly a great healer. I don't expect to have my butt kissed, and hate it when people thank me for a heal; in all honesty I think it's kind of freaky people do that here. But hey, nice is nice.

I read the forums, and the hubby and I decided to roll a cleric/fighter combo. We wanted the 32 pt build, and figured it was the perfect combo for getting in and making groups. (And it has been) It was my choice to make a heal-bot, and I knew what I was getting into.

I have restores, cures of this and that, heals, buffs, cc, debuffs, you name it; I try to have it up. I bought wands, remove this and that wands, a few scrolls, and even went elf for the level 6 res. in case I run out of sp.
I started out with 20k pp after selling all my gimped toon's items, and have managed to maintain the same amount between grouping and duoing to level 10.
In a month's time, only one person in my group has ever died (he ticked me off), and no one can have any complaint about my play style in group. I sound burst, gc, group heal when needed, and usually walk around with empowered healing up and tons of spell points.

I keep my opinions about people's play styles to myself, have a great attitude in groups and never walk in or out of a group with a sour ego-maniacal attitude.
Even with all that, for the past month and a half since coming back, I have listened to a litany of people in vc during groups whine and moan about clerics elitists attitudes, how clerics always try to control the group (I'm too busy to use vc, and quite honestly too lazy to push the talk button), and a wide variety of angry/weird comments from random pugs.
I joined a guild on my server that was highly recommended, and have listened/read many members saying the same things, saying how playing a cleric was guild suicide, and neither would anyone group with a cleric, nor would said cleric raid. (They weren’t kidding either)
I'm in no way trying to single you out, but honestly, I'd love to meet the players that have been programmed to kiss ass, because all the cleric hate I've encountered lately has appalled me. It's a game, and it's a class.
In all honesty, it appears as if some of vets have gotten so jaded by the needy/whiny clerics some of the new clerics are getting the short end of the stick without getting the chance to prove our own worth.
I've retired my cleric this week, and made a sorcerer. Joined a new guild, and hubby and I are grouping again. It's a whole new world, and people are actually nicer.
Hopefully I'll be able to bring her out of hiding one day, but honestly, with the attitude I've seen so far, I don't blame the op for his complaints. If this was my first cleric I'd ever played in a mmorpg, I'd be demanding a whole ton of **** to heal people and listen to that junk.
**Just my opinion.**

While this can be true, alot is brought on by players who are used to being around very skilled healers so when they see a pretty good one they think wow this cleric sucks. Those types are also the most likely to be very vocal asses about it too. And generally people are still ****ed off at cleric x y z who could not do anything. I mean these days I am fairly happy if the cleric can find the quest and occasionally toss a heal to anyone. People also hate a cleric that act like the guy at the intersection with a will work for food sign that trys to wash your windows.

[Elsbet]

Even in my gimped healer build w/o Spell Pen enhance, I still do fining kiting stuff around the outer edge of blade barriers, or using Destruct/Banish with my spell pen weapon, and a Prayer Spell.

First of all - if you think that rivals most melee's weaponsets - you play with terrible melee players. Of course, you go on to say later in the post you carry a destruct/banisher - so, who knows what you have I guess.

Wow. Epic fail on reading comprehension. He's casting destruction or banishment while holding a spell pen weapon.

[Missing_Minds]

Hopefully I'll be able to bring her out of hiding one day, but honestly, with the attitude I've seen so far, I don't blame the op for his complaints. If this was my first cleric I'd ever played in a mmorpg, I'd be demanding a whole ton of **** to heal people and listen to that junk.
**Just my opinion.**

I hate to say it, but it sounds like you found a guild of egos vs. a group of players having fun. May you be able to have fun again at some point in the future.

[Missing_Minds]

While this can be true, alot is brought on by players who are used to being around very skilled healers so when they see a pretty good one they think wow this cleric sucks. Those types are also the most likely to be very vocal asses about it too. And generally people are still ****ed off at cleric x y z who could not do anything. I mean these days I am fairly happy if the cleric can find the quest and occasionally toss a heal to anyone. People also hate a cleric that act like the guy at the intersection with a will work for food sign that trys to wash your windows.

I tend to get more ****ed at clerics that think they can zerg and solo stuff, always run ahead, and end up having to have their asses saved. All it shows me is that they were saved and coddled their entire growth period of the class.

[Elsbet]

I tend to get more ****ed at clerics that think they can zerg and solo stuff, always run ahead, and end up having to have their asses saved. All it shows me is that they were saved and coddled their entire growth period of the class.

No kidding. Send the rogue in first.

[Caine52184]

Ahhahahahahah. You're my favorite, favorite poster now. I'm sure you've /ignored me by now.


"I park my cleric at level 9 and own everything with CC"

"I *still* need to use wands to top you off ... but only ... " <drumroll> .... "if you're wasting pots yourself"


How bitter can you be? Would you rather wand people that are burning plat in the streets? Wouldn't you rather they be chugging HASTE pots and not CURE pots for their plat? What a ridiculous attitude.

Congrats, i think you will be the first to be added to my ignore list. I dont care what you post about me after this but I just couldnt help myself...out of all of the irritating and impossible people on these forums you have to be the most annoying of all. Your posts are SO annoying I cant even make myself completely read any of them. You keep talking about chugging pots and wasting plat..so im thinking you are referring to my post where I said I carried that many pots on my very first fighter and that I think everyone should carry X amount of pots for emergencies. You are a closed minded idiot...NO ONE SAID THAT EVERYONE SHOULD CONSTANTLY CHUG POTS!! So go ahead and say what you will....I really dont care what you think of me or my opinion...but I can almost bet all my plat that everyone here agrees with me.

I dont know who you are or what server you are on because I never bothered looking at your sig...but I hope its not Thelanis. I would hate to end up in a group with such a miserable person. Funny that I see in your post that you are calling someone bitter...look in the mirror pal....or better yet step back and read your own posts. Even if you are right...you're still an A$$ with a terrible attitude!

\flame on genius

[Missing_Minds]

NO ONE SAID THAT EVERYONE SHOULD CONSTANTLY CHUG POTS!! So go ahead and say what you will....

but.. but... but.... they are so tasty.... Their red, almost pink in the right light, glow reminds me of ham... oh how I miss the days when succulent tasty ham was flowing at the bars...

But alas, no more... for now I must save my ham to enjoy it in the quiet... ok, so not so quiet company of kobolds that try to steal it from me.

Maybe the potions remind me more of roast lamb given their minty aftertaste.

[Kalari]

I started playing DDO when Fernia was still a server. Took a long break, came back, and found Fernia was gone and ended up on another server.
I've been "clericing" for nine years now in different mmorpgs, and am honestly a great healer. I don't expect to have my butt kissed, and hate it when people thank me for a heal; in all honesty I think it's kind of freaky people do that here. But hey, nice is nice.

I read the forums, and the hubby and I decided to roll a cleric/fighter combo. We wanted the 32 pt build, and figured it was the perfect combo for getting in and making groups. (And it has been) It was my choice to make a heal-bot, and I knew what I was getting into.

I have restores, cures of this and that, heals, buffs, cc, debuffs, you name it; I try to have it up. I bought wands, remove this and that wands, a few scrolls, and even went elf for the level 6 res. in case I run out of sp.
I started out with 20k pp after selling all my gimped toon's items, and have managed to maintain the same amount between grouping and duoing to level 10.
In a month's time, only one person in my group has ever died (he ticked me off), and no one can have any complaint about my play style in group. I sound burst, gc, group heal when needed, and usually walk around with empowered healing up and tons of spell points.

I keep my opinions about people's play styles to myself, have a great attitude in groups and never walk in or out of a group with a sour ego-maniacal attitude.
Even with all that, for the past month and a half since coming back, I have listened to a litany of people in vc during groups whine and moan about clerics elitists attitudes, how clerics always try to control the group (I'm too busy to use vc, and quite honestly too lazy to push the talk button), and a wide variety of angry/weird comments from random pugs.
I joined a guild on my server that was highly recommended, and have listened/read many members saying the same things, saying how playing a cleric was guild suicide, and neither would anyone group with a cleric, nor would said cleric raid. (They weren’t kidding either)
I'm in no way trying to single you out, but honestly, I'd love to meet the players that have been programmed to kiss ass, because all the cleric hate I've encountered lately has appalled me. It's a game, and it's a class.
In all honesty, it appears as if some of vets have gotten so jaded by the needy/whiny clerics some of the new clerics are getting the short end of the stick without getting the chance to prove our own worth.
I've retired my cleric this week, and made a sorcerer. Joined a new guild, and hubby and I are grouping again. It's a whole new world, and people are actually nicer.
Hopefully I'll be able to bring her out of hiding one day, but honestly, with the attitude I've seen so far, I don't blame the op for his complaints. If this was my first cleric I'd ever played in a mmorpg, I'd be demanding a whole ton of **** to heal people and listen to that junk.
**Just my opinion.**

Well before this latest break which may end up being the final one for me Ive played on Thelanis and mainly on Sarlona. Even before people figure out who my alts are when im on my healers on either server ive had nothing but "thank you for healing me" constantly, and "great job" thrown at my cleric. Granted when im in a party my desire to win means I will keep the party up by most means if they arent playing stupid. And Ive banked rolled the clerics I run on sarlona well enough where its rare if they run out of ways to heal even my monk splash. I think its just been my luck cause I keep getting the "I wish I encounter what you do." And seriously its not a guild thing if anything my guild is notorious for trying to kill my clerics lol.

But when I pug ive run into very complimentary players it sometimes becomes worst when they figure out its Kal behind the healer but most of the time it evens out cause I start saying "stop complimenting me im just doing my job." The last pug I ran before I took this break I ran rainbow with a pug trying to get my hybrid cleric shroud ready I was a level lower then they wanted and was a splash but they took me anyway. Kept the party alive helped with combat they didnt have to hold my hand threw the quest since ive ran plenty of girls threw the vale. And I swear if I had a copper for all the praise I kept getting id have had a few thousand plat under my belt.

So honestly I think any cleric that does their best to make the quest run smoothly will get praise and appreciation. Thats been my luck and sure theres been a$$hats along the way but they are so few and far between that I dont remember them.

[qes]

True thank you being said, is and does get annoying if it is said way to much.
However being one that likes to play healer types, well now thanks to have been in numerous parties that there was people abuseing what healer types have to offer.
I am happy to say I have found a guild that does appreciate healer types and does provide support.
Do keep in mind it is fun and great to say wo i cast a firewall and was able tokill a large amount of monsters, or even tank types argueing that they are getting anxious to buy a new weapon ot item, ...
However try playing a healer type and watch 6 bars for health, when in a normal 6 toon party or being in a full raid, then you can and will see frustration.
Haveing to use 35 heal spells and 40 heal scrolls on one barbarian in a party while teh rest of the party is hardly damaged and very easy, well not easy to keep healed but takeing damage but no where near that damage does make a healer think twice about questing!
Well enough venting and such.

DO KEEP in mind healing is only DIRECT line of sight!

Item for wish list would be to be able to cast or have a mean's of detecting if party members are useing viscious weapons.

[SolarDawning]

There used to be a wizard in my guild who refused to buff. He got really angry whenever I asked him for a blur and stoneskin, saying things like "I play to be a hero, not to help other people be a hero. I don't want to waste my spell points on other people."

I explained to him that he had decided to play a wizard, and it's his problem if he doesn't want to fulfill people's expectations of his class role. And, for that matter, if his wizard didn't want to buff, my monk didn't want to punch things.