Clerics taken for granted

[Lorichie]

why is it, we heal, spend money on wands, and never get a thank you?

it's like all that matters is tanks.

rangers get treated like they don't matter, all people want mages for is haste.

people zerge (especially on tangle root) have to run through it, someone dies, no one cares, even when it's their healer, yeah good luck running to gate on hard solo.

no one offers to help, just 'we'll wait' (while you die trying to get to them.)

are people ever going to realize a cleric keeps their lazy zerging a**es alive?

Fwiw,

Sounds like you had a bad run.

All i can do is offer some advice and tell you a bit about me and my clerics, but there is no magic solution.

You only spend what you want, you know that already, many folks have said the same thing. People will continue to play the way that they want, without regard for you or your pockebook until they are forced with a consequence that either changes them or not. Most often, they wont change, and thankfully for you, you now know who to avoid.

I know its a small win, but as you continue to play, and i'm sure with the length of time you've been here, you will accumulate a list of people not to group with. Surely you already have one. As time goes on, your enjoyment of playing a cleric will improve, you will save more money as you avoid those folks and you'll start to accumulate some plat.

For me, this is how i look at it...
I've made enough builds, deleted them, then rerolled again to fill a dozen accounts. While i enjoy leveling a new toon, at some points during the process i just want to puke at the thought of getting to the next level. It's during these times that my belief while i'm playing my clerics comes out: you kill, i'll keep you alive. The more you kill, the more i heal, even if it means dipping into my secret stash. See, the faster they swing, the quicker i level.

I dont think of it as them using me to stand around and heal them, i think of it as me using them to level quickly, and for me at least, its worth 100k plat in supplies to get to cap.

But thats me after a dozen clerics. I know not everyone feels that way. All i can do is share my experiences, hope it helps in some small way.

R

[Meddik]

Fwiw,

Sounds like you had a bad run.

All i can do is offer some advice and tell you a bit about me and my clerics, but there is no magic solution.

You only spend what you want, you know that already, many folks have said the same thing. People will continue to play the way that they want, without regard for you or your pockebook until they are forced with a consequence that either changes them or not. Most often, they wont change, and thankfully for you, you now know who to avoid.

I know its a small win, but as you continue to play, and i'm sure with the length of time you've been here, you will accumulate a list of people not to group with. Surely you already have one. As time goes on, your enjoyment of playing a cleric will improve, you will save more money as you avoid those folks and you'll start to accumulate some plat.

For me, this is how i look at it...
I've made enough builds, deleted them, then rerolled again to fill a dozen accounts. While i enjoy leveling a new toon, at some points during the process i just want to puke at the thought of getting to the next level. It's during these times that my belief while i'm playing my clerics comes out: you kill, i'll keep you alive. The more you kill, the more i heal, even if it means dipping into my secret stash. See, the faster they swing, the quicker i level.

I dont think of it as them using me to stand around and heal them, i think of it as me using them to level quickly, and for me at least, its worth 100k plat in supplies to get to cap.

But thats me after a dozen clerics. I know not everyone feels that way. All i can do is share my experiences, hope it helps in some small way.

R

thanks, unlike what people are thinking I don't want my a** kissed, I simply ask people don't run off and leave their healer behind, and not come back for them. Is it too much to ask to not have people act like selfish jerks and zerge? DDO is based off pnp, how often do you zerge in pnp? your DM would say so you're going to run through the dungeon? time for some surprises then.

[Araxie]

Meddik,
I have been in both places, good and bad parties and I almost always run guild raids with around half PUG's. Certainly as a lower level cleric I accepted donations of plat and scrolls and wands. Don't need them much anymore at 16th but if it is a heavy healing quest like VOD, Hound or Shroud I let folks donate if they want. But my guildies sure do know that if they run off ahead or go around the corner, I am not responsible for them dying. And if they let me die, I whine...heh, it works for me. At least there isn't an experience debt when you die anymore--that stunk.

You are welcome to join us on Ghallanda- Runs with Scissors will pick you up any time!

[darthmaul121783]

why is it, we heal, spend money on wands, and never get a thank you?

it's like all that matters is tanks.

rangers get treated like they don't matter, all people want mages for is haste.

people zerge (especially on tangle root) have to run through it, someone dies, no one cares, even when it's their healer, yeah good luck running to gate on hard solo.

no one offers to help, just 'we'll wait' (while you die trying to get to them.)

are people ever going to realize a cleric keeps their lazy zerging a**es alive?

a matter of fact i do go back for anyone that gets left behind. and even in that quest

[captain1z]

thanks, unlike what people are thinking I don't want my a** kissed, I simply ask people don't run off and leave their healer behind, and not come back for them. Is it too much to ask to not have people act like selfish jerks and zerge? DDO is based off pnp, how often do you zerge in pnp? your DM would say so you're going to run through the dungeon? time for some surprises then.

As a healer I dont mind if people zerg, so long as I have haste (clerics are notoriously slow).

Zerging in DDO makes sense to me............. If I was a fighter with 500 hp and ran thru a blade trap that did 50 hp and I could drink 1 of my 100 pots and feel a little better and at the same time take the fight to the monsters on the other side, Id do it.

In PNP Id have about 120 hps maybe and that blade trap might do 20 hp but its also gunna hamstring me, making it difficult to walk, forget run or fight. So im gunna take cover while the monsters throw spears and rocks and let the rogue disable the trap.

PNP is made to be long and have consequences, a character may be player for years and sport scars from many adventures. In DDO its made to be quick, the DDO store is evidence of this, and without consequence, even death is temporary....... even getting your brains sucked out is funny now and then.


If I was going to be forced to reroll after a death, Id play DDO like PNP.

[Mr_Ed7]

My Cleric rarely bought wands until the double digits.

Also write in your biography that you accept donations.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

why is it, we heal, spend money on wands, and never get a thank you?

it's like all that matters is tanks.

rangers get treated like they don't matter, all people want mages for is haste.

people zerge (especially on tangle root) have to run through it, someone dies, no one cares, even when it's their healer, yeah good luck running to gate on hard solo.

no one offers to help, just 'we'll wait' (while you die trying to get to them.)

are people ever going to realize a cleric keeps their lazy zerging a**es alive?

All of those are false in most of the parties I've been in.

[VKhaun]

Come to Thelanis. They appreciate us. In plat, pots and wands.

I am also on Thelanis doing a cleric, and I get thanked so constantly for doing nothing but what I'm supposed to that it's annoying. I have received many donations as well. Can't say I've ever seen anyone thank a melee toon just for going into melee... but it sounds like the server is right up your alley.

Though you will always find tunnel visioned and inconsiderate players, and players you disagree with on various levels, the other benefit to Thelanis is a large population. As long as what you do makes sense, you don't have to worry about people hating you because your being a good cleric will outweigh some one fool not liking you.

There are plenty of people who I have simply NOT HEALED because they were being ******** to the point it was a detriment to the group and could have meant a wipe either by their own actions or by me having no resources left. Rogues getting too much aggro and being beat up over and over. People making ridiculously squishy melee characters and rushing in first. Casters who don't know how to kite (Why would I load JUMP?) but insist on fire walling in the middle of every room. They hate my guts and never consider a new tactic or that they have need for one to begin with, but if they say a cross word the rest of the group backs my arrogant forum trolling behind, and half the time those same people accept my join requests to new groups they make.

[captain1z]

I get complemented pretty often in groups

My melees get:

"hey, nice trip"
"good DPS man"
"nice stun"

My rogue gets:
"nice job"

My cleric:
"nice healing"

My sorc:
"you have DV's"

My monk:
"You took that rez like a pro, I can see you've done that before"

My ranger:
"dude, seriously, stop zerging. If you wanna solo this plz just recall"



Real friendly crowd on ghallanda..... you should stop buy and get complemented as well.

[Anthios888]

Bad groups are bad groups. We do not all share the same playstyles. I can vouch for Ghallanda's helpfulness in teaching clerics and new players. I joined the game in March of last year on a cleric and have not regretted it since. Let me know your name and I can send you haste pots and cure wands to fuel your leveling.

[Lorichie]

Bad groups are bad groups. We do not all share the same playstyles. I can vouch for Ghallanda's helpfulness in teaching clerics and new players. I joined the game in March of last year on a cleric and have not regretted it since. Let me know your name and I can send you haste pots and cure wands to fuel your leveling.

Never thought of this.

Medik, i have a few toons on ghallanda, i can hook you up with wands and plat and such if you want. i rarely play those toons and the plat is just sitting there, you might as well put it to use. Let me know. (dont think of it as a donation, think of it as pre payment for when i decide to come level a toon there, and i will, and you are my cleric)

R

[FluffyCalico]

why is it, we heal, spend money on wands, and never get a thank you?

it's like all that matters is tanks.

rangers get treated like they don't matter, all people want mages for is haste.

people zerge (especially on tangle root) have to run through it, someone dies, no one cares, even when it's their healer, yeah good luck running to gate on hard solo.

no one offers to help, just 'we'll wait' (while you die trying to get to them.)

are people ever going to realize a cleric keeps their lazy zerging a**es alive?

1) My casters don't get a thank you for haste (something sold in pots)
2) My fighter doesn't get a thank you for htting itemidate when player x bites off way more than they can chew
3) My Caster doesn't get thanks for poping locked chests
4) My rogue doesn't get thanked for turning off a nasty trap
5) Spending money on consumables is optional your choice

No other class gets thanked constantly for doing what they were invited to do, why should this one? And yes I have 3 clerics 2 of which mainly heal, they do not expect thanks for doing what they are supposed to do.

[Demoyn]

And ty for being an insensitive jerk

This is not a support group. We're sorry for any confusion we may have caused.

[Uska]

I try to give the cleric something as I know its expensive and really starting not to run my cleric and dont buy her supplies any more if we fail I point out my empty blue bar and say u guys should have been using pots or something

[Uska]

You shouldn't expect thanks and praises for healing. If you choose to play the cleric, that is your role in the party.

I'm not saying they should have left you behind when you died zerging tangleroot, but I doubt tha you being a cleric had any part in that. Really it doesn't sound like you were healing them much anyhow.

Besides .. No one ever thanks the Barbarian for killing the hobgoblins

umm besides some small change for repairs the barb's kiling things cost him nothing the cleric keeping the idiot barb alive could cost him quite a bit and if they didnt zerg a head get surrounded and hit from all sides it would take the cleric less to do his/her job. Posts like this make me wish all characters would be listed so I might know who to heal and buff or rather who not to.

[Uska]

I have a 12 as well, I keep groups alive, no thank yous, no donations. All I hear is tanks babbling about saving up for some uber weapon.

Tried Sarlona and now Ghallanda. same selfish ****.

Maybe I should become a battle cleric and heal just myself, since over 3 years people are getting more selfish and rude. Why should I care, when no one else does? Why blow all my coin, on wands for 0 thanks and no donations, I say ty to everyone in groups and gj (on good runs).

I will say on ghallanda I have ran into more genours people then on some other servers. Who is your cleric there? if you want I can use my bard to make your purchases slightly cheaper I will buy all your stuff for what it costs me.

[Uska]

Every class has to buy resources.

We see this rant quite often, but typically from a new cleric that hasn't quite found his style of play yet. I was a bit surprised to see this sort of thing coming from an older player. Did you take 3 years off and just reactivate? I mean that as a serious question. I'd see this post differently if your forum date misrepresents your experience.

Clerics are expected to many more resources then any other character, so leave the guy alone.

[Uska]

Come to Thelanis. They appreciate us. In plat, pots and wands.

I never saw any such there biggest reason I dont play there any more went totaly broke and deleted all but my ranger there and dont even play him due to being broke. Was the least generous out of the three servers I use to play and decided to drop down to 2

[FluffyCalico]

Clerics are expected to many more resources then any other character, so leave the guy alone.

If you are using resources on normal (except vod) you are doing something wrong.

[Lewcipher]

umm besides some small change for repairs the barb's kiling things cost him nothing the cleric keeping the idiot barb alive could cost him quite a bit and if they didnt zerg a head get surrounded and hit from all sides it would take the cleric less to do his/her job. Posts like this make me wish all characters would be listed so I might know who to heal and buff or rather who not to.

This is what rez shrines are for. After seeing said idiot barb in action, wel...