Sir Shroudalot

[Delt]

Oh I see. Because powergamers need to know how to build a run of the mill paladin.

Lol. Well, on the plus side, 2 months from now we get to listen to them point out how they created the first TWF pure pali on the US servers.

[Comfortably]

Lets face it this build is gimp.

I'll use a quote here; "Once again, you fail"- A.O.

Tell us how to do it better, please. Better yet, enlighten us oh mighty Rhymer!

[Lewcipher]

I have to admit, I got tired of every thread about a build for a while "Monster can do this, Monster can do that better", BUT I realize it was more of way to say : think more.

I've never grouped with Yar or A-O, but honestly seems like good input.

Yes, My DPS will get out DPS'ed by the Monster, but do I care? NO

Can I do solid DPS? Yes.

Will the monster have higher saves or AC than my str based ranger? NO

Can I CONTRIBUTE to the party? Yes (Well, until I fall in lava).

Honestly peeps, it's a game. It's a simple way for new folks to build a shroud farmer with decent DPS.

Granted, it may not be needed later, but notice not a single shroud item/weapon? Easy to delete if needed!

[Rhymer25]

I'll use a quote here; "Once again, you fail"- A.O.

Tell us how to do it better, please. Better yet, enlighten us oh mighty Rhymer!

I was just saying what they say on other folks builds. I actually did not even bother reading this build rofl.

[Comfortably]

I was just saying what they say on other folks builds. I actually did not even bother reading this build rofl.

If that's the case you should be more mature than them, and post nothing. The fact is, this is a great build to farm the shroud with an not have to buy any high end weapons to use.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Acutally, I've been playing for what now, 3 weeks or so.

This is the point where everyone should have stopped reading the thread....

OOOOO....3 weeks, that's so much time....

[Lewcipher]

I was just saying what they say on other folks builds. I actually did not even bother reading this build rofl.

So builds like "The Despoiler" where they said it was a solid build?

Understand: You are looking for fun. They are looking for optimization.

I personally like to meet in the middle.

[Comfortably]

This is the point where everyone should have stopped reading the thread....

OOOOO....3 weeks, that's so much time....

You should also noticed that they have both posted several times that they have been playing on the EU severs seance release. Woah...I'm defending them now.

[Lewcipher]

You should also noticed that they have both posted several times that they have been playing on the EU severs seance release. Woah...I'm defending them now.

When it's a valid defense, it's valid

[Noctus]

Tell us how to do it better, please.

A relevant part of Harrys Damage Output is from his DBFs he is throwing around regulary. Having Evasion, in conjunction with the good saves this build has, will simply negate that part of his DPS most of them time you face it.

Evasion loweres damage taken from a average DFB in your face from around 100 points to zero. So this build can easily be bettered for his only job, fighting Hary, by taking 2 levels of Monk. Giving him a big boost to survivability as well as a side effect 2 extra feats to play with.

People die from to much damage from Harry´s melee attacks, blades and DFBs. Taking out one part of this equation nearly completly is a big boon.

Lets face it this build is gimp.

Even as people get offensive, it is common courtesy to stay calm and simply counter them with arguments.

This build is not gimp, it is competent in its job. But also far from the hyped "perfect" as it can be improved.


Sounds pretty self-praised to me:

.....but perfect for shroud farming. Will have good dps for a cheap cost.
Created by: Me and A-O.

Honestly peeps, it's a game. It's a simple way for new folks to build a shroud farmer with decent DPS.

This build is not meant to be played for "fun", but rather as a workhorse for a powergamer wishing to farm himself silly in the shroud. If you personally would do such a thing doesnt matter for the discussion above the strenghs and weaknesses of the build. You have to judge it under the conditions for which it was build.

People just notice that a run-of-the-mill TWF Paladin is presented as the next best thing since sliced bread. And how impolite and downright arrogant the presenters behave.

[TechNoFear]

Tell us how to do it better, please.

I have only done 40 something runs thru the Shroud playing a paladin but...

Extend is required or you lose a lot of DPS v Harry recasting 3-4 times (or one extended Zeal and two extended DF). This will change in Mod9 to no recasts if Extended as DF, Angel Skin and Zeal all get the same duration.

If going TWF, go dwarf for the Armor Mastery (to make use of that 17 Dex as AC as well) and Axe enhancements (to equal the Khopesh DPS).

Consider Int 12 (+1 tome) and Chr 10 (hopefully +1 at 20 and +3 tome from Shroud end reward). This gives CE (needed for DoS) to boost your AC into the high 60s (with no super rare equipment).

[Comfortably]

I have only done 40 something runs thru the Shroud playing a paladin but...

Extend is required or you lose a lot of DPS v Harry recasting 3-4 times (or one extended Zeal and two extended DF). This will change in Mod9 to no recasts if Extended as DF, Angel Skin and Zeal all get the same duration.

If going TWF, go dwarf for the Armor Mastery (to make use of that 17 Dex as AC as well) and Axe enhancements (to equal the Khopesh DPS).

Dwarf for armor mastery? You're dual wielding...your AC is going to suck anyway.

[Rhymer25]

Other good reasons for going dwf : +2 to hit, +2 to dmg , +3 to all saves from enhancements, +2 to saves from feat bonus, +4 balance, +2 con from enhancements, +40 hp's.

Have a look at the Torthur Hareft build when it is reposed on the ranger thread for reasons to go dwf.

[Comfortably]

Other good reasons for going dwf : +2 to hit, +2 to dmgOnly with Axes. , +3 to all saves from enhancements, +2 to saves from feat bonusBoth of those are against spells. , +4 balance, +2 con from enhancements, +40 hp's.

Have a look at the Torthur Hareft build when it is reposed on the ranger thread for reasons to go dwf. Human will give you a bonus feat, more skill points and skill boosts.

A few comments in red.

[Greydeath]

Because powergamers need to know how to build a run of the mill paladin.

And a crappy one at that

[Rhymer25]

A few comments in red.

1. Obviously you would be using Axes the majority of the time but thank you for pointing that out.

2. The majority of the time enhancements are spells so it kind of goes w/o saying, and I have head that those saves come into play even on non-spells but I have not personally tested that.

3. Khopesh costs one feat = dwf axe. The other stats are the tradeoff for those extra points.


For the record I play a human pally and I like my choice, but the dwf is a viable alternative. At least this build would not be so bland.

[bugeyed]

Is this concept supposed to be original? And its not perfect for shroud farming without 2 Monk/Rogue.

[TechNoFear]

Dwarf for armor mastery? You're dual wielding...your AC is going to suck anyway.

As you are not restricted by Wis based AC or Tempest you can pull a shield as required to get up to +10 AC and reduced damage from grazes.

Add in CE and the DoS bonuses (including the +6 Con, GFL, +3 AC belt) for a viable AC (and no graze damage, with Angel Skin).

Is this concept supposed to be original? And its not perfect for shroud farming without 2 Monk/Rogue.

IME Evasion is not required to farm the Shroud with a paladin.
Get some Firestorm Greaves if DBF worries you. With 4 insta 200+ HP LoH, I have not found the need for Evasion.

This paladin gives up to much to get Evasion. This build will not have the dex to hit the threshold where Dex AC beats hvy armor AC.
You also lose 2D6 damage vs EOs (D6 vs everything)

[Greydeath]

This paladin gives up to much to get Evasion. This build will not have the dex to hit the threshold where Dex AC beats hvy armor AC.

This guy does not even have trash AC as it is – going from nothing to less than nothing is not exactly a disadvantage.

Evasion is the second best feat in the game – it definitely trumps Pal20 (and Pal16 at current cap)

[Greydeath]

Lol. Well, on the plus side, 2 months from now we get to listen to them point out how they created the first TWF pure pali on the US servers.

Perish the thought