Barbarian vs. Fighter

[Yargore]

I'm not a fool! I'm a angle, a fallen angle.

If you really think you're an angle, it seems to me that you belong in an asylum

[Monkey_Archer]

I think the OP will have to Crawl through knives to get this thread back on topic....

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I think the OP will have to Crawl through knives to get this thread back on topic....

To be honest, I think he'll need to forge a new one for this to really work.

[Yargore]

At least the thread didn't go down in flames.

[Comfortably]

Funny how off topic this is, almost as random as Lavatory Love Machine.

[Comfortably]

At least the thread didn't go down in flames.

Ever been to Amaranth?

[Yargore]

Funny how off topic this is, almost as random as Lavatory Love Machine.

Not nearly as random as save us now though.

[Monkey_Archer]

Im surprised Borror0 hasnt got in on this yet

Sorry i had to

[Comfortably]

Im surprised Borror0 hasnt got in on this yet

Sorry i had to

I'm surprised that you bring Borror0 up at all.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I'm surprised that you bring Borror0 up at all.

I think we should send a hunter after you for bringing that song up.

[Comfortably]

I think we should send a hunter after you for bringing that song up.

Ahhh that would ensue quite a dark saga.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Ahhh that would ensue quite a dark saga.

ROFL at the guy in the audience at 0:09-0:11.
His expression is truely something wicked

[Freeman]

But the real question is: Have we determined who's e-peen is bigger?

[SneakThief]

Your arrogance and ignorance is mind boggling. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the names of RAM, Illuminati, and Maldini.

Yeah ... those are the ones that I think of ...

I get 388 for kensai and 395 for the barb.

Weapons are Min II with force ritual.
Party buffs add 10 damage.

Our str numbers might be different as we might use different tomes, DT armors etc.

Calcing without haste boost does not give an accurate estimation of a fighters DPS though, I just did it to prove a point to Shade.

Yeah ... I used 10, Min2 with force .. MAX Str for both, which if I calced it out correctly are 46 Ftr and 54 Barb. Not counting armor in that anywhere or SA. The point was you said for trash (where you arent going to waste the haste boosts), even using surges, K3 comes out behind. And trash is where movement speed comes in. FB3 gets there much faster and can get in almost a full round of attacks (10?) before everyone else catches up. Additionally, the ability to get to the mob and draw aggro quickly takes everyone else out of the line of fire.

Bottom line ... K3 is better in a stationary duke it out fight for under 5 min and not by all that much.

FB3 is a better all around DPS machine, even for stationary fights ...

Personally ... I want to see what the other Barb PrEs bring to the table as well ...

[Yargore]

Bottom line ... K3 is better in a stationary duke it out fight for under 5 min and not by all that much.

FB3 is a better all around DPS machine, even for stationary fights ...

Personally ... I want to see what the other Barb PrEs bring to the table as well ...

Your conclusion is wrong.
I would love to see your calcs.

Personally, I think it's obvious that frenzied berzerker will be the best PrE for DPS, considering 4d3 the self damage per swing.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Personally ... I want to see what the other Barb PrEs bring to the table as well ...

You mean the ones with set bonuses such as these?

Ravager: When both items are equipped you will gain a chance to inflict a damage over time effect.

or

Occult Slayer: When both items are equipped you will gain +2 exceptional bonus to willpower and reflex save and Spell resistance 22.

No, offense I understand what you mean. I just think that if anyone expects an Occult slayer or Ravager to deal more damage than the freakin frenzied berserker they're in for a crude awakening.

That aside, I long for knowing the other PrEs as well.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Yeah ... those are the ones that I think of ...


Yeah ... I used 10, Min2 with force .. MAX Str for both, which if I calced it out correctly are 46 Ftr and 54 Barb. Not counting armor in that anywhere or SA. The point was you said for trash (where you arent going to waste the haste boosts), even using surges, K3 comes out behind. And trash is where movement speed comes in. FB3 gets there much faster and can get in almost a full round of attacks (10?) before everyone else catches up. Additionally, the ability to get to the mob and draw aggro quickly takes everyone else out of the line of fire.

Bottom line ... K3 is better in a stationary duke it out fight for under 5 min and not by all that much.

FB3 is a better all around DPS machine, even for stationary fights ...

Personally ... I want to see what the other Barb PrEs bring to the table as well ...

54 str for a FB 3 barb is low, just saying .

23 Base
10 Mighty Rage
3 Tome
6 Item
4 Power Rage
2 capstone
2 Rage spell
4 Madstone
2 Frenzy
4 Death Frenzy
2 (Frenzied Berserker set bonus)
_______
62/60 if you don't want to add the frenzied berserker set bonus.

[Mhykke]

54 str for a FB 3 barb is low, just saying .

Blah!

[Dirac]

Err, the 14 effects are the 7 holy, 3,5 acid, 2,5 slicing 1 force. the barb should have the same, checking it out...

EDIT: Okay, it's just a typo by me in the posted calc, if you add it together it is accurate, putting up the 14 effects to the barb crits to avoid further misunderstandings.

Ah, cool. I've reproduced your calculations within a small difference depending on how you implement Cforce's calculation on speed boosts. So I am in agreement with your calculations here. If you might humor me, I had a couple other questions.

1. You have 2.5 damage per attack from acid blast. From Cambo's OP, I thought blast was only an on-crit effect. (btw: Why are you taking acid blast on tier 3 instead of holy blast? Almost everything important is evil and devils have resistance to acid.)

2. Is is true that on a confirm critical, a 1 is not an automatic fail?

3. The ravager has a natural BAB of 13, which I understand from Cforce's calculation to have higher attack rate than BAB of 16. However, you calculate the ravager with a BAB 16. You can do this with divine power, but is this not decreasing your dps?

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Ah, cool. I've reproduced your calculations within a small difference depending on how you implement Cforce's calculation on speed boosts. So I am in agreement with your calculations here. If you might humor me, I had a couple other questions.

1. You have 2.5 damage per attack from acid blast. From Cambo's OP, I thought blast was only an on-crit effect. (btw: Why are you taking acid blast on tier 3 instead of holy blast? Almost everything important is evil and devils have resistance to acid.)

2. Is is true that on a confirm critical, a 1 is not an automatic fail?

3. The ravager has a natural BAB of 13, which I understand from Cforce's calculation to have higher attack rate than BAB of 16. However, you calculate the ravager with a BAB 16. You can do this with divine power, but is this not decreasing your dps?

1. Afaik I am not calcing "Acid blast" as 2,5 per hit. That is infact Slicing.
One can not chose which teir 3 effect to take, you one that's listed "higher" so to speak, and don't ask me about that, it's a long discussion about it in one of the crafting threads. Buttom line though, with mineral the only damaging effect you can get is acid blast on teir 3.

2. On a confirm critical a 1 is not a failiure afaik. If anyone would prove me wrong I will change it.

3. The madstone effect triggered by the boots gives the character max bab and as one wants to use em for dps one can't really avoid it. And, as the to hit isn't that great without sneak attacking on a rogue you really need all the to hit you can get, +3 to hit > 4 more base attacks per minute.