Barbarian vs. Fighter

[Shade]

I get 388 for kensai and 395 for the barb.

I'm gona make up numbers too!

Mine are 432 for Kensai and 519 for barb!

everyone knows now, very imformative post yes?

Comparing these with math is dumb.

Barbarian is dps. They don't need math. They just need to get crazy mad raged and murder the enemy.

[Yargore]

I'm gona make up numbers too!

Mine are 432 for Kensai and 519 for barb!

everyone knows now, very imformative post yes?

Comparing these with math is dumb.

Barbarian is dps. They don't need math. They just need to get crazy mad raged and murder the enemy.

Why don't you prove those numbers wrong instead of comming up with bad trolls like these that only shows how biased you are toward barbs?

SneakThief had made his own calc that should be pretty similar to mine. So I just posted my results and some thoughts on what might vary between the calcs.


BTW, every calc I have posted so far have been ignored or disregarded as false math by you. but you have never really said whats false with the math. Nor have you posted your own calcs proving that barbs deal higher DPS than fighters.


PS. Do you even realise that DPS means damage per second and not damage per swing in this case?

[Monkey_Archer]

A joke on so many levels, it's not even worth elaborating. The little Euro fellas really believe the stuff they are spewing, which is sad, because it would be some great schtick otherwise.

I like this thread

Got me posting in Shade's favor and agreeing with Delt

Sorry, but a tempest rouge with agro = tempest wizard with agro
Both are not even close to a mod 8 barb...

[Yargore]

I like this thread

Got me posting in Shade's favor and agreeing with Delt

Sorry, but a tempest rouge with agro = tempest wizard with agro
Both are not even close to a mod 8 barb...

Aye, if that wizard have maxed STR, (Talking about real DPS rogues here:P)

Do the math yourself, it's not as low as you think. 6 ranger levels add alot of DPS.

[Monkey_Archer]

Aye, if that wizard have maxed STR, (Talking about real DPS rogues here:P)

Do the math yourself, it's not as low as you think. 6 ranger levels add alot of DPS.

I have... the tempest rogue can keep up for about 2.5 minutes (respectable) but falls behind after that.

[Feylina]

question: how is increased movement speed and sprint boosts calculated into dps?

Not a definate number i'm looking at just something to consider. sure if we could all stand still and beat on portals all day it would be awesome.

[Aranticus]

great a couple pages of you r-tards arguing back and forth and nothing even remotely resembling relevant information to the topic. oops and i'm refferring to the "swing" threads. i want my 2 minutes of life back after reading that stupidity.

question: how is increased movement speed and sprint boosts calculated into dps?

Not a definate number i'm looking at just something to consider. sure if we could all stand still and beat on portals all day it would be awesome.

DPS has a rather narrow definition of how much damage you can do per time unit in battle. movement and sprint boosts makes you shorten the time you move from battle to battle. the actual amount of time spent in combat is still the same and hence DPS is a constant value

now if we were to define DPQ or damage per quest, then movement rates will definately figure strongly

[Shade]

Why don't you prove those numbers

Probably the same reason you didn't?

BTW, every calc I have posted so far

Every calc? Where?
There are zero calculations posted in this thread. Only numbers you pulled out of your *** so far.

Fill it with nerd math if you want - but don't throw numbers aroudn and act like ther fact without calcs yourself. It's not going to prove anything other then your bad at math, and most people reading this thread already got that.

DDO is complex enough that you can't throw together some numbers and use those to say 1 class is superior to the other. Not even some actually good at math could do that - tho they'd probably be smart enough not to even attempt it.

[Aranticus]

Probably the same reason you didn't?

Every calc? Where?
There are zero calculations posted in this thread. Only numbers you pulled out of your *** so far.

Fill it with nerd math if you want - but don't throw numbers aroudn and act like ther fact without calcs yourself. It's not going to prove anything other then your bad at math, and most people reading this thread already got that.

DDO is complex enough that you can't throw together some numbers and use those to say 1 class is superior to the other. Not even some actually good at math could do that - tho they'd probably be smart enough not to even attempt it.

if you can search and read, do look at gfunks twf dps thread

[Shade]

if you can search and read, do look at gfunks twf dps thread

If you could get my attitude - I'm trying to say I could care less about mathematic when it comes to comparing classes. Even if it was close to accurate - which I'd never beleive given how wrong it usually is, I still wouldn't care.

I form my opinions based on ingame expierence, and ONLY ingame expierence. Not numbers.

I've ofcourse seen his thread, and it's a big waste of time far as im concerned. I've real had real people ingame tell me they read it and try to understand it and pick a build off it, only ending up with a poor character they just reroll because the numbers never tell the real story.

If you want to select your class and build based on some math that may or may not be at all accurate.. By all means. I won't be.

[Monkey_Archer]

To the original poster.

Go 8barbarian, 12fighter, and call it a day.

Fixed

[Greydeath]

It was actually we that started the current trend in The Monster threads.

Greydeath:
The current dps trend started with the Monster thread, period.

A joke on so many levels, it's not even worth elaborating. The little Euro fellas really believe the stuff they are spewing, which is sad, because it would be some great schtick otherwise.

QFT

[Aranticus]

If you could get my attitude - I'm trying to say I could care less about mathematic when it comes to comparing classes. Even if it was close to accurate - which I'd never beleive given how wrong it usually is, I still wouldn't care.

I form my opinions based on ingame expierence, and ONLY ingame expierence. Not numbers.

I've ofcourse seen his thread, and it's a big waste of time far as im concerned. I've real had real people ingame tell me they read it and try to understand it and pick a build off it, only ending up with a poor character they just reroll because the numbers never tell the real story.

If you want to select your class and build based on some math that may or may not be at all accurate.. By all means. I won't be.

i understand what you wrote very well. if you form your perceptions based on ingame stuff, then be on topic. stop dissing numbers with magically conjured numbers. it doesnt prove anything except for the troll you are. your arguments would hold if you choose to just use experience as your basis

[bugeyed]

Hah, it was me and Yargore that started the whole dps-calc trend you know

Your arrogance and ignorance is mind boggling. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the names of RAM, Illuminati, and Maldini.

[Yargore]

Probably the same reason you didn't?

Ah, so you posted the numbers so SneakThief could use them to compare to the results he got from his calc?

Every calc? Where?
There are zero calculations posted in this thread. Only numbers you pulled out of your *** so far.

Fill it with nerd math if you want - but don't throw numbers aroudn and act like ther fact without calcs yourself. It's not going to prove anything other then your bad at math, and most people reading this thread already got that.

DDO is complex enough that you can't throw together some numbers and use those to say 1 class is superior to the other. Not even some actually good at math could do that - tho they'd probably be smart enough not to even attempt it.

This is not the only thread where barb vs fighters have been discussed. I posted many calcs, but when you keep ignoring them it's just pointless to post more.

How can it prove that I'm bad at math? The numbers are correct, even if I don't post the calc to prove it. I don't think people doubt my calculations, and if they do they can just do the calcs themselves.
I have posted so many calcs so it would be easy to replicate one.

No, DDO is not complex.

[Yargore]

I form my opinions based on ingame expierence, and ONLY ingame expierence. Not numbers.

And your only melee is a barb?
lol, not that's an unbiased opinion

[Absolute-Omniscience]

(infact, the Ravager mod 8 deals more dps with aggro than a TWF dwarven barb does in mod 8)

Sorry, but a tempest rouge with agro = tempest wizard with agro
Both are not even close to a mod 8 barb...

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you Monkey.

Here's the calc, ravager with aggro vs TWF pure dwarven barb. Just for fun I will also compeltly remove the haste boost from the ravager.


Dwarven max str twf barb.

Brb16 twf	Dwarf
Mineral DA, Mineral DA
----------------------------------------------
9	9	Weapon
17	8	Strength (18+2+2+2+10+4+6=44)
8	8	Power attack
2	2	Racial weapon enhancement
5	5	Weapon mod
------------------------------------------
8	8	Song
1	1	prayer
------------------------------------------
7	7	Effect 1
3,5	3,5	Effect 2
2,5	2,5	Effect 3
1	1	Effect 4
------------------------------------------
204	177	Critical Total
150	123	Critical base
14          14        effects
11	11	Acid burst
11	11	Acid Blast
14	14	Natural 20
18	18	Seeker
-------------------------------------------
0	0	Attack 1
64	55	Attack 2
64	55	Attack 3
64	55	Attack 4
64	55	Attack 5
64	55	Attack 6
64	55	Attack 7
64	55	Attack 8
64	55	Attack 9
64	55	Attack 10
64	55	Attack 11
64	55	Attack 12
64	55	Attack 13
64	55	Attack 14
64	55	Attack 15
64	55	Attack 16
204	177	Attack 17
204	177	Attack 18
204	177	Attack 19
218	191	Attack 20
-----------------------------------------
538,26	538,26	Swings/5M
83	83	Normal
107,65	107,65	Haste/tempest
107,65	107,65	Haste/tempest/Boost
-----------------------------------------
17961,57		Total/M
160,58	138,78	DMG/S
--------------------------------------------
299,36		Total/S

And here comes the Ravager, without boost, without SA.

Rog 9/Rng 6/Fgt 1	Halfling
Mineral	 Mineral	Weapon
--------------------------------------------
5,5	5,5	Weapon
12	6	Strength
5	5	Power attack
6	6	Favored mob
5	5	Weapon mod
-------------------------------------------
2	2	Ram's Might 
8	8	Song
1	1	prayer
-----------------------------------------
7	7	Effect 1
3,5	3,5	Effect 2
2,5	2,5	Effect 3
1	1	Effect 4
-----------------------------------------------
187,5	169,5	Critical total
133,5	115,5	Crit base
14	14	Effects
11	11	Acid Burst
11	11	Acid blast
14	14	Natural 20
18	18	Seeker
------------------------------------------------
0	0	Attack 1
58,5	52,5	Attack 2
58,5	52,5	Attack 3
58,5	52,5	Attack 4
58,5	52,5	Attack 5
58,5	52,5	Attack 6
58,5	52,5	Attack 7
58,5	52,5	Attack 8
58,5	52,5	Attack 9
58,5	52,5	Attack 10
58,5	52,5	Attack 11
58,5	52,5	Attack 12
58,5	52,5	Attack 13
58,5	52,5	Attack 14
58,5	52,5	Attack 15
58,5	52,5	Attack 16
187,5	169,5	Attack 17
187,5	169,5	Attack 18
187,5	169,5	Attack 19
201,5	183,5	Attack 20
------------------------------------------------
581,25	581,25	Swings/5M
83	83	Normal
116,25	116,25	Haste/tempest
116,25	116,25	Haste/tempest/Boost    NO HASTE BOOST
----------------------------------------------------
18140,78		Total/M
159,02	143,33	DMG/S
--------------------------------------------------------
302,35		Total/S

*Cough*
TWF pure dwarven barb = 299
Ravager, without boost, and without SA = 302

Counting average over 5 minutes, the ravager boosts to 325. And with SA it's 492.

[Zippo]

Mathematics, that is all.


Greydeath:
The current dps trend started with the Monster thread, period.

Like i said before show the numbers otherwise it is just conjecture.



edit: Doh that'll teach me not to go the end of the thread first, I missed it by one. Numbers shown.

[Yargore]

Like i said before show the numbers otherwise it is just conjecture.

*laughs*
Look at the post above yours.

[maddmatt70]

Shrug, it really is less about builds then it is about the weapons at the moment which is something that everybody already knew. In mod 9 the builds catch up or at least the devs hope so with the pre. That is what all the damage calcs that have been done since mod 6 came out have really shown. Make some weapons and acquire items and the difference in builds is minor other then perhaps a rogue, but the rogue almost never gets max damage for one reason or another.

Edited: weapons and items.