5/1 Philosophy

[Mhykke]

Oh no either do I, however there will be others you may have to carry though, that is not a "loser mentality", quite the opposite, it is a mentality of willing to help others.

Sorry, but you are completely turning your "philosophy" on its head. Let me, remind you, what you stated:

5/1 Philosophy: The belief that no matter how gimp or nerfed your character is, there will be 5 others (11 in raids) in the party that will aid you in your quest via team-work.

This has nothing to do with "helping others" as you try to claim. It's all about others helping you, as described with the words "there will be 5 others (11 in raids) in the party that will aid you..." If you build a character that will be the one that needs "aid", then that character isn't helping anyone else, he is being helped.

[Dexxaan]

5/1 Philosophy: The belief that no matter how gimp or nerfed your character is, there will be 5 others (11 in raids) in the party that will aid you in your quest via team-work.

I think this is a good philosophy for new players who may be concerned about the effectiveness of their character, for people who's computers may be slower than others, for people who do not know the quests or are improperly equipped. This is also good for any other "alternative" builds that may not be as effective as they could have been.

This philosophy as helped make for an enjoyable time here on the game for several years with my many characters.

It has allowed me to accept others, whether they are new to the game, or whether their playstyle is different.

It makes for me to be a more open-minded party leader, and guild leader.

So live and let DIE.

Thanks again Ed for pulling me away from my work and providing yet another....juicy and delicious morsel of a thread. Best part in yellow...( man you actually believe this ****!)

BTW Fixed your bye bye for you also.

it also allowed you to develop such a thick skin that you think nothing of making weak builds and let others carry you through....

LOL.

I think that way of looking at things is a loser mentality, whether we're talking about a game or in life.

I don't enjoy being the weight that others have to carry. That's just me though.

/QFT And awesome Pwny btw.

Oh no either do I, however there will be others you may have to carry though, that is not a "loser mentality", quite the opposite, it is a mentality of willing to help others.

So 1 tard in a group is acceptable, but what happens when you have 11 Tards and 1 average player? WIIIPE! Senseless loss of time (Precious in my case..since I play as much as I can nowadays but simply cannot much....hence my aversion to wasted time), resources and just plain innefective gaming.

Maybe you should start a Guild and call em the 5/11`s or something? Wait you already are in a Guild....and LEAD IT! :

If by "willing to help others" you mean "have everybody else help me since I can't help them" then, yes, it's a loser mentality. Purposely building a character that barely can contribute is selfish. Selfish in the way that you would rather everybody else do the work while you pike off them.

/QFT

I disagree with this 5/1 philisophy both in DDO and in RL. If you have the ability to carry yourself and be a contributing member to either a DDO group or society in RL, then you should do so. I can't stand people in RL that have the capability of contributing, but are too selfish and/or lazy to do so. They are a drain on our society and it is not fair to the people that do work hard. Instead, we should focus our help on the people who really need it.

Also this philisophy has nothing at all to do with being open-minded or not. Being open minded means that you are open to new ideas, different ways of doing things, understanding other people's points of view, etc. I wish more people would be open minded. However, just because you are open minded doesn't mean you have to accept someone who is leeching off the system.

In terms of DDO, I think it's great to understand that some people are newer to the game and they do not know the quests inside and out or know exactly the most uber way of building their character. I usually go out of my way to help newer players because some experienced players don't have the patience with them. It can be helpful to a newer person to share with them what you found works well. However this is only helpful if said person wants to learn, so that they can contribute more to the team next time. What is really anoying is when someone hasn't figured it out yet, but stubbornly and close-mindedly ignores any helpful suggestions that are given to them.

and /QFT again.

You guys (I mean Sisssters!) are great.... you save me a ton of typing.

[Raithe]

The main reason for a bard in the hound is for EXACTLY that reason.

Good thing this guy had a ranger with him that could heal, cc, buff, and possibly melee a bit.

It's funny that those who are claiming "optimum build" status are the ones most concerned about how others perform in their groups.

Well, I guess it'd be funny if we didn't actually know what was going on...

[Healemup]

Good thing this guy had a ranger with him that could heal, cc, buff, and possibly melee a bit.

It's funny that those who are claiming "optimum build" status are the ones most concerned about how others perform in their groups.

Well, I guess it'd be funny if we didn't actually know what was going on...

I did mention it was the "main" reason, not the only reason. And I am sure that he DID buff the dogs...

Is the hound completable without a bard? Absolutely. Does it take longer to take the big dog down without one? Absolutely. My annoyance was at the fact that he was specifically asked to provide buffs to the dogs, but REFUSED. He was the ONLY party member capable of providing those benefits to the entire party. His character was perfectly capable of providing that benefit (these are automatically given to bards of his level). There was no reason for the bard to stand around looking at the big dog and NOT provide the benefit of his songs to the dog.

And for the record, I hardly said anything about optimum builds anywhere that I am aware of. I certainly do not claim any of mine are that. If I did, my online buddies would only laugh at me.

[Aranticus]

It sort of when you have a party of 5 and you put up the LFM "any class" .
It does not matter what the 6th member is.

agree

If you know that not all members have the same skill level you can expect to have one weakern party member, and thats ok.

agree

Some forum posters are running with my comment of the "5 others" in the party will carry one weaker members slack. Which is true. I would not want to be that 6th weak wheel but according to some it will happen to my Pally.

Again luckily I have a guild of people & friends who are willing to work with various playstyles and build.

it is not the 5/1 idea that people have against but the way you put the 5/1 idea across. i've even taken 3-5 new players on raids/quests and we still come out with success. the point isnt with new or weaker players but rather in what way are you going to improve your contribution to the party

just yesterday, i noted a guildie of mine going SnB against harry. after the raid, i let him know that it doesnt matter if he had a shield or not as the clerics are giving out mass heals and thf will produce more dps to which he agreed with the assessment and noted that he'd thf harry. people will observe that this player tries to improve his contribution and thus would welcome him to their groups

this senario greatly contrasted an incident i had. a barb joined one of my shroud group and through out the raid, he was in SnB mode. when asked why the shield, his reply was "shield = ac, i like my ac in the 40s". many of us tried explaining that 40 ac is near equivalent to 0 ac against the lieutentants or harry and that thf will mean a large impovement in dps. the said bard retorted back that "this is the way i play". just recently this barb joined in a shroud which i was in and still yet to ditch the shield. sure this is the way he plays, i respect that and that is why he is on my list





wait.... the barb might be the OP!

[transtemporal]

What do you guys do anyway? See my posts and are like "Less get'em Ssisterss!"

Nah, only when you post blatant "fishing for rep" threads.

[Yargore]

Sorry dude, there is already a name for this: Free rider problem

[Surista]

Now lets say if everyone embraced this philosophy and decided to all roll characters that had no purpose other than to fail for some odd reason. What do you think would happen after they all get together? I'm sure they would all giggle and laugh having lots of fun dying and paying repairs I bet because playing this game is meant to be fun. On the other end of the spectrum in reality rather than la-la land most would be upset and do you think this is right? I can understand wanting to try out new things or just not knowing and being new, but this is clearly not the case instead being completely inconsiderate of others for your own personal needs.

I don't expect people to be perfect and can understand every has different play styles, though really when someone seems to almost purposely try to setup themselves and everyone else for failure that is flat out wrong. People will eventually figure out your slacking attitude and give you the boot for that reason not elitism.

[Mr_Ed7]

Nah, only when you post blatant "fishing for rep" threads.

Yeah that's what I am doing FISHING for REP! WTMF!

That must be how you got your rep then, BECAUSE I have no desire to FISH for REP.

I am gonna call you MUVICO for your commendable PROJECTING!

[Mr_Ed7]

Sorry dude, there is already a name for this: Free rider problem

I understand your point.

[Mr_Ed7]

it is not the 5/1 idea that people have against but the way you put the 5/1 idea across. i've even taken 3-5 new players on raids/quests and we still come out with success. the point isnt with new or weaker players but rather in what way are you going to improve your contribution to the party

just yesterday, i noted a guildie of mine going SnB against harry. after the raid, i let him know that it doesnt matter if he had a shield or not as the clerics are giving out mass heals and thf will produce more dps to which he agreed with the assessment and noted that he'd thf harry. people will observe that this player tries to improve his contribution and thus would welcome him to their groups

this senario greatly contrasted an incident i had. a barb joined one of my shroud group and through out the raid, he was in SnB mode. when asked why the shield, his reply was "shield = ac, i like my ac in the 40s". many of us tried explaining that 40 ac is near equivalent to 0 ac against the lieutentants or harry and that thf will mean a large impovement in dps. the said bard retorted back that "this is the way i play". just recently this barb joined in a shroud which i was in and still yet to ditch the shield. sure this is the way he plays, i respect that and that is why he is on my list





wait.... the barb might be the OP!

Nah, my Barbarian has a two-handed sword or great-axe...it would be silly to use a shield if you were a Barbarian.

[Yargore]

Nah, my Barbarian has a two-handed sword or great-axe...it would be silly to use a shield if you were a Barbarian.

Using a two handed sword or a great axe on a barbarian is as silly as using a shield. imo.

[Thrudh]

Nah, my Barbarian has a two-handed sword or great-axe...it would be silly to use a shield if you were a Barbarian.

My barbarian uses a shield sometimes... He also uses a bow sometimes... Most of the time he uses a greataxe though...

But he does adapt to the situation... Like your guy should... Instead of always using a shield, there are times when it's totally worthless. Use a shield most of the time, if you want, but be a smart player and pull out a two-handed weapon (or ranged weapon) now and then when the shield is worthless (like when beating the portals or Harry in the Shroud)

[Borror0]

Using a two handed sword or a great axe on a barbarian is as silly as using a shield. imo.

Saying that it's as silly implies that they are on the same level. That's false.

Using a shield is the greatest mistake. In second place comes using a greatsword and finally is using a greataxe. While all three are mistakes, they are not on the same level.

[Thrudh]

Using a two handed sword or a great axe on a barbarian is as silly as using a shield. imo.

Yes, TWF does more DPS... But if TWF is a 10 on the damage scale, THF (especially on frenzied berzerker barbarian in Mod 9) is an 7.5 while using a shield is a 5....

7.5 is not as a good as a 10, but still better than a 5....

[Healemup]

Ah, but the shield is a wonderful thing when you have an inti-barb... But, a mid-60s AC on an unraged barb with a 50ish buffed intimidate and 25ish DR on a 400+ hp barb is a pretty good orthon tank on VOD elite runs.

OK, so that is situational and not like the guy running around with a shield on all the time, but...

And, he a 28 pt. build also... wee.

[transtemporal]

Yeah that's what I am doing FISHING for REP! WTMF!

That must be how you got your rep then, BECAUSE I have no desire to FISH for REP.

I am gonna call you MUVICO for your commendable PROJECTING!

Are you kidding? Your 'leeches of the world unite' speech is sweet crack for the anti-zergers. They lap that **** up.

[Mr_Ed7]

Are you kidding? Your 'leeches of the world unite' speech is sweet crack for the anti-zergers. They lap that **** up.

Well sir I am not a leech...nor am I "anit-zerging", but sorry if I have fortified the political views of your enemies.

[Aranticus]

Well sir I am not a leech...nor am I "anit-zerging", but sorry if I have fortified the political views of your enemies.

but you advocate for the existence of leeches

[Mr_Ed7]

but you advocate for the existence of leeches

Nay, I advocate fun via team-play and mutual aid.