WTT:2 portal beaters

[Lanuric]

+1 Anarchic Burst Khopesh of Pure Good
+1 Holy Burst Khopesh of Pure Good Lvl 8 RR WF

Looking to swap each of these weapons for a Holy Burst Khopesh of Pure Good no RR.

PM me if you are interested.

[Amadan83]

i have a holy burst khopesh of pure good on kantas, that is no RR... but it has some ticks of perm dmg...

still works fine, and hasn't taken any since it was relegated to portal beating duty...

if you're interested feel free to shoot me a PM

[Lanuric]

I take it you want the wf RR Holy Burst PG Khopesh?

I will be on sometime today/tonight, I will keep a beholder eye out for you.

[bugeyed]

Do these really pass as portal beaters? 1d8+7+3.5+1+2.8 on these vs 1d8+5+10.5 with a +1 Greater Bane (which I would be embarrased to use on my Casters)....

[Greydeath]

Do these really pass as portal beaters? 1d8+7+3.5+1+2.8 on these vs 1d8+5+10.5 with a +1 Greater Bane (which I would be embarrased to use on my Casters)....

No worries, I am sure Ama uses a crossbow version on his Sorc...

plink... ... ..., plink... ... ..., plink... ... ...

[Lanuric]

Perhaps not the best portal beaters, but they work quite well non-the less....decent crit range, so although you cannot crit on a portal, the anarchic/holy burst adds some nice dmg...not everyone is lucky enough to have Anarchic Burst Greater Construct Bane. And 1d83d6+1d6 for normal hit, with 1d8+3d6+4d6+1d6 on a crit, is as good as if not better than a 3d6 for a Greater Bane.

[vyvy3369]

Perhaps not the best portal beaters, but they work quite well non-the less....decent crit range, so although you cannot crit on a portal, the anarchic/holy burst adds some nice dmg...not everyone is lucky enough to have Anarchic Burst Greater Construct Bane. And 1d83d6+1d6 for normal hit, with 1d8+3d6+4d6+1d6 on a crit, is as good as if not better than a 3d6 for a Greater Bane.

+1 Holy Burst Khopesh of Pure Good:

1d8 + 1 + 2d6 (Holy) + 1d6 (Pure Good) per hit, +4d6 on crits
Avg damage: 4.5 + 1 + 7 + 3.5 = 16, +14 on crits, or 360 over 20 swings (assuming you have improved critical)

+1 Khopesh of Greater Construct Bane:

1d8 + 5 + 3d6 per hit
Avg damage: 4.5 + 5 + 10.5=20, or 380 over 20 swings

Yes, the holy burst of pure good may have more general utility, but most likely if you're fighting Portals, you have some form of greensteel weapon that's going to be better than that already (or at least soon). So yeah, I'd recommend sticking to a cheaper +1 GCB, and it generally doesn't even matter what the weapon type is unless you have WS or use a racial weapon.

Compare that to some of the rarer weapons that people pay a lot for, such as a +4 Holy Khopesh of GCB I found a while back:

1d8 + 8 + 5d6 per hit
Avg damage: 4.5 + 8 + 17.5=30, or 570 over 20 swings

[Solmage]

is as good as if not better than a 3d6 for a Greater Bane.

I'm afraid that's not quite true, although it's not as inferior as the other guy states either:

+1 Holy Burst Khopesh of Pure Good = 18.8
dmg = 5.5 (Base) + 7 (Holy) + 3.5 (good) + 2.8 (Burst @ 20%)

+1 Khopesh of Greater Construct Bane = 20.0
dmg = + 5.5 (Base) + 14.5 (GCB)


For comparison's sake:

+5 Holy Khopesh of Goodburst and Goodblast (triple pos) = 27.3
dmg = + 10.5 (Base) + 7 (Holy) + 3.5 (good) + 2.8 (Burst @ 20%) + 2.8 (Good Blast on crit) + 0.7 (Good Blast on Nat20)

+5 Holy Dwarven Axe of Goodburst and Goodblast (triple pos) = 30
dmg = + 14 (Base) + 7 (Holy) + 3.5 (good) + 1.4 (Burst @ 10%) + 1.4 (Good Blast on crit) + 0.7 (Good Blast on Nat20) + 2 (Dwarf)

+4 Holy Khopesh of Greater Construct Bane = 30
dmg = + 8.5 (Base) + 7 (Holy) + 14.5 (GCB)

[vyvy3369]

I'm afraid that's not quite true, although it's not as inferior as the other guy states either:

...yours actually comes out as it being even further behind...

Edit: to explain, factoring in the 20th swing evens out the average a bit more in favor of the lower damage weapon. Yes, on a per-hit basis we effectively said the same thing.

[Solmage]

...yours actually comes out as it being even further behind...

Edit: to explain, factoring in the 20th swing evens out the average a bit more in favor of the lower damage weapon. Yes, on a per-hit basis we effectively said the same thing.

I didn't mean YOU as being the other guy, I meant the guy who said they were very bad in comparison (and edited his message)

I started writing my message before you replied Henry

[Lanuric]

Wow, you guys spend far too much time calculating everything.....its a game isnt it??

Does that mean the Holy Burst Pg Heavy/Light picks and Anarchic Burst PG Light Picks I have are less then a straight +1 GCB weapon too?

I do have an Anarchic Burst GCB Longbow on my main ranged ranger.....should I be using that more than duel Anarchic Burst PG Light Picks or Rapiers even?

Alot of people have a large collection of GS weapons, fully Tiered......I am not 1 of these people. As I usually take 3 shroud runs to loot 1 non-scale or stone Large ingredient, although my scale looting has improved the last week or so. So after 10 shroud runs across 4-5 toons, I might get 3 or 4 Larges that arent scales. I do not have the abundent resources to make the GS weapons like some.

Okay, they may not be the best at portal beating, but for a fairly standard weapon more common than Holy/Anarchic (Burst) of GCB, they work quite well. And you guys should stop with the intimate calculations and just play the game........its fun remember!

[vyvy3369]

One of the things I enjoy most about this game is how detailed it is but also how with enough effort you can figure out formulas for almost everything. But hey, I've always liked math too. Heck, I remember making a couple different weapon damage calculating spreadsheets full of graphs and stuff way back because I like figuring this stuff out. If you're happy not knowing, by all means ignore everything we say - at least from my perspective I'm just trying to help you make a more informed decision.

Holy/Anarchic Burst Picks of PG:
Picks get 5d6 bursts instead of 4d6, but at a smaller threat range, so they'd be further behind. Instead of 16d6 over 20 swings they're only dealing 10d6, so just over 1 damage per swing worse than the example the Khopesh mentioned earlier. The plus on the weapon can make a big difference too though, since each + adds 1 damage per swing (which is one of the reasons why greater banes end up better most of the time).

Longbow vs. TWF gets into a whole different set of calculations, and I really don't have much experience with ranged attacks. Per hit, the Anarchic Burst of GCB is going to be doing a lot more, but IIRC you'd be making less attacks (unless Manyshotting maybe).

+1 AB Longbow of GCB per hit would be 1d8 + 7 (using +3 House D arrows I guess) + 5d6 = 29 avg, +8d6 in burst damage over 20 shots, which seems to be on the high end of things on a per-shot basis. Again though, it really depends on relative attack rate.

[bugeyed]

One of the things I enjoy most about this game is how detailed it is but also how with enough effort you can figure out formulas for almost everything. But hey, I've always liked math too. Heck, I remember making a couple different weapon damage calculating spreadsheets full of graphs and stuff way back because I like figuring this stuff out. If you're happy not knowing, by all means ignore everything we say - at least from my perspective I'm just trying to help you make a more informed decision.

Holy/Anarchic Burst Picks of PG:
Picks get 5d6 bursts instead of 4d6, but at a smaller threat range, so they'd be further behind. Instead of 16d6 over 20 swings they're only dealing 10d6, so just over 1 damage per swing worse than the example the Khopesh mentioned earlier. The plus on the weapon can make a big difference too though, since each + adds 1 damage per swing (which is one of the reasons why greater banes end up better most of the time).

Longbow vs. TWF gets into a whole different set of calculations, and I really don't have much experience with ranged attacks. Per hit, the Anarchic Burst of GCB is going to be doing a lot more, but IIRC you'd be making less attacks (unless Manyshotting maybe).

+1 AB Longbow of GCB per hit would be 1d8 + 7 (using +3 House D arrows I guess) + 5d6 = 29 avg, +8d6 in burst damage over 20 shots, which seems to be on the high end of things on a per-shot basis. Again though, it really depends on relative attack rate.

Counting Manyshot a Longbow is about 90 attacks per a minute IIRC. Tempest TWF is 180 I believe.

And Agamon I edited my post to fix my math I boo booed at 5 am. I edited it right after I posted it... I didn't realize editing wasn't allowed :O