Disappointment in The Playerbase.

[Mr_Ed7]

Riiiight. I meet plenty of new players, very few of em are habitual group droppers that point fingers at everyone else for their own noobsauce mistakes.

Noob doesn't equal selfish crybaby. I'm not going to lose any sleep if my opinion drives off the latter, you feel free to coddle them though.

I always found name-calliing an affective way to argue as well as provide help for new-players.

Are you not CRYING about someone CRYING?

[Roman]

you Sound Like You 'think' You Know What You Are Doing. You Dont Hesitate To Call Out The Idiots As You See Them. Maybe You Should Take Some Of Your Own Precious Advice There And, Wait For It, Put Up Your Own F***ing Lfm. That Way When People Join You Can Tell Them You Plan On Spending 2hrs And 35mins In The Helms Quest Of Stk. You Can Wipe On The End Boss On Stk As Much You Like And Just Hope The Cleric Doesnt Res And Drop Group Like You Seem To Do So Often.

You Say You Respect The Playstyle Of Everyone? Then Follow The Leader Or Dont Join The Group In The First Place. Just Because You Like To Smell Flowers Doesnt Mean The Rest Of The Party Does.

Qft

[Mr_Ed7]

Maybe you should get some balls then and not break down every time someone is mean to you.

Elegantly said...

[rnor6084]

You sound like you 'THINK' you know what you are doing. You dont hesitate to call out the idiots as you see them. Maybe you should take some of your own precious advice there and, wait for it, PUT UP YOUR OWN F***ING LFM. That way when people join you can tell them you plan on spending 2hrs and 35mins in the Helms quest of STK. You can wipe on the end boss on STK as much you like and just hope the cleric doesnt res and drop group like you seem to do so often.

You say you respect the playstyle of everyone? Then follow the leader or dont join the group in the first place. Just because you like to smell flowers doesnt mean the rest of the party does.

You talking lecturing about respect??? HAHA. Nice one.

[Mr_Ed7]

thanks Delt And Smurf. You Just Provided Great Examples Of How To Run New Players Out Of The Game. Hopefully The Op Will Not Run Into Too Many Of Your Kind And Will Resub.



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[Hadrian]

You can wipe on the end boss on STK as much you like and just hope the cleric doesnt res and drop group like you seem to do so often.

So you're in a group with people you do not know. You find a way to get killed, and no one comes to help you. No one gets your stone. They just run on to the next part and ignore you.

Are you telling me that you would not drop group? I know that I would.

[KoboldKiller]

The truth is this type of post always brings out the uber l33t who feel it's necessary to tell the OP that they are too stupid to figure it out, or put up your own LFM. Maybe the OP doesn't think it's a good idea or is comfortable running a quest they don't know since they are NEW. As for the referring to others as idiots I equate that more to frustration than anything else, of course if they were referring to certain people in this thread I would whole heartedly agree with them.

[Kiranselie]

Days later, i got a group together to do STK, all objectives....including Helm's Quest.


The next day i got ANOTHER group together to do STK and Helm's, this time on Elite

Let me preface this by saying I'm not taking the OP's side in this debate at all,

but a number of posters have said to start his own groups. It looks to me from the two statements above, that he put his groups together and people disregarded what he wanted to do w/ those groups.

A lot of us zergers get on here and b*tch when people join our zerging groups and take their time exploring every inch of the quest, so the other side has just as much right to do the same.

With that said, the best answer I can see to all of this is for the OP to join Mr. Ed's guild, seems to be a good fit for him and will keep him from coming back here and posting another book like this one.

[Delt]

I always found name-calliing an affective way to argue as well as provide help for new-players.

Are you not CRYING about someone CRYING?

I don't appear to be crying -- even if your witty use of CAPS intends to suggest so, you clever little person.

Learn to make a sensible point, not throw up poorly worded strawmen. I'm not arguing, I'm pointing out his stated actions. I'm not providing help, I'm laughing at his idiocy and hypocrisy.

[Cap_Man]

To me it sounds like the OP is a new player doing their best to learn the game and have fun. I would consider leaving a party too if they left my stone in the dust and carried on without me.

As for his comments on rogues, sounds like he has never played one and is just going on what he knows from PnP. Not sure what difficulty he was running these quests on but yes, rogues will not always disarm traps on normal and very rarely lead a party unless no one knows where the traps and surprises are. Traps on normal and even hard can be pretty weak so people will often blow through them to get to the mobs and then, if you are looking for xp, will come back and get the trap after. Elite is usually a different story.

If the OP is putting the groups together he should make sure he adds something to the LFM to indicate 'slow run' or 'no zerging'. Even then you can end up with difficult party members who want to go off on their own.

I think your best bet Phantimizer is to find a guild that runs quests in a manner that is closer to your play style. Not sure what would be a good fit for you on Argonnessen, but if you ever get over to Khyber I would suggest you look up the guild 'Mature Adventures Club' A.K.A. MAC. Actually, there are a number of good guilds on Khyber that might suit you and I am sure there are some on Argonnessen too.

Here is a guild list thread for Argonnessen:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=125027

Here is one for Khyber:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=120777

Not sure how up to date these are but it's a start.

[rnor6084]

To me it sounds like the OP is a new player doing their best to learn the game and have fun. I would consider leaving a party too if they left my stone in the dust and carried on without me.

As for his comments on rogues, sounds like he has never played one and is just going on what he knows from PnP. Not sure what difficulty he was running these quests on but yes, rogues will not always disarm traps on normal and very rarely lead a party unless no one knows where the traps and surprises are. Traps on normal and even hard can be pretty weak so people will often blow through them to get to the mobs and then, if you are looking for xp, will come back and get the trap after. Elite is usually a different story.

If the OP is putting the groups together he should make sure he adds something to the LFM to indicate 'slow run' or 'no zerging'. Even then you can end up with difficult party members who want to go off on their own.

I think your best bet Phantimizer is to find a guild that runs quests in a manner that is closer to your play style. Not sure what would be a good fit for you on Argonnessen, but if you ever get over to Khyber I would suggest you look up the guild 'Mature Adventures Club' A.K.A. MAC. Actually, there are a number of good guilds on Khyber that might suit you and I am sure there are some on Argonnessen too.

Here is a guild list thread for Argonnessen:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=125027

Here is one for Khyber:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=120777

Not sure how up to date these are but it's a start.

Ah yes. There is hope for DDO afterall. Well said.

[DoctorWhofan]

Thanks Delt and Smurf. You just provided great examples of how to run new players out of the game. Hopefully the OP will not run into too many of your kind and will resub.



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[Vorn]

First of all, to the OP, welcome to the game. It's a great game that accomodates lots of different playstyles. People do silly stuff all the time, forget to get the quest, get lost, get drunk, get bored; or real life impacts, as they get an offer to get laid by their significant other, have their child put a crayon up their nose, whatever.... Hope you are able to either find a group of like minded players (the guild section is a nice place to start) or enjoy the diversity that is ddo.

Cheers!
V

[akla_thornfist]

so when did it become the player base's responsibility to make sure that anyone that comes to this game has fun, seems to me that the op didnt like the game to begin with i try to help noobs when i can but its not my problem or any other players problem to make sure new players have a great run everytime they play.

cmon op make your own groups if people in a group you are leading dont play the way you want them too then recall and reform start over and quit your crying. i repeat its not my job to make sure you have fun. ive been playing this game for years and not once have i complained about others not playing my way, go with the flow or take your toys and go home.

[Visty]

not on argo but worth asking:
did you tell the party that you are new?

[HeavenlyCloud]

If they joined your groups, you just found some "new zergers" that think they can do whatever they like in your groups. Believe me when i say you haven't seen any true zergers cause most of them just don't PuG at low level to avoid interfering with both sides play styles.

Just ignore that type of players and make sure to act like the leader of the party if this type of people join your groups.

[SableShadow]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not taking the OP's side in this debate at all,

but a number of posters have said to start his own groups. It looks to me from the two statements above, that he put his groups together and people disregarded what he wanted to do w/ those groups.

A lot of us zergers get on here and b*tch when people join our zerging groups and take their time exploring every inch of the quest, so the other side has just as much right to do the same.

With that said, the best answer I can see to all of this is for the OP to join Mr. Ed's guild, seems to be a good fit for him and will keep him from coming back here and posting another book like this one.

Well said.

[bandyman1]

Just pray to the Mad God that you end up with a good group.


Works for me .

[beelzebaba]

I had mixed feelings when reading this thread because the OP came off as a complainer and it seemed like he bailed on quests a lot. But i cannot believe the reaction of some of the players here.

Everyone is new sometime and culture is often passed down from those who know to those that don't know. Personally when leveling a Character i usually put Zerg or BYOH to fend off newer players who don't want to play at my pace, because to a zerger there is nothing more frustrating than turning a 10 minute quest into a 35 minute fiasco; so keep up. Id rather have at least 1 other good player and shortman than have to wait for slow people. I mean i am killing everything, at least keep up.

However, we were all new once and i know i can remeber at least one person showing me the ropes. Not everyone has the skill, gear, pots when they are new so i can relate to the OP frustration.

To the OP. Dont let some of the attitudes posted here discourage you as this is a great game and there are many great people in it. Form your own groups and clearly state that you want to explore. Also you can always level up, and go back and explore later. I will also tell you, dropping groups is a bad habit to get into although i can see why you were frustrated.

Im often too busy to show people the ropes but would be glad to give ya plat and some advise. It may not be a bad idea to post out here for someone to run with or to show you the ropes. My names are in the sig, ill be on later... hit me up and ill give ya some plat and by the next time you play someone else may have read this thread and volunteer to help ya a bit.

Latz

[Nestorious]

Missed you guys SOOO much!

ROCK ON ARGO!

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