query for the knowledgeable re Chaosgarde

[Tygre]

I seem to recall seeing something about this before, but can't seem to find it...
so:

Chaosgarde: +2 dodge bonus
and the Chaosguard effect: (+2 deflection bonus to AC , +2 resistance bonus) vs. Chaotic enemies

The question: does the deflection bonus and resistance bonus stack with the prot 5 deflection item and the +5 resistance item as a special case, ignoring the normal stacking rules?

Again, seem to remember seeing this before, but can't confirm atm.

[Gorby]

Only the dodge bonus stacks with other bonuses. If you have +5 deflection AC and +5 Resistance items already, then the 'chaosgaurd effect' will not be utilized.

[Timjc86]

Only the dodge bonus stacks with other bonuses. If you have +5 deflection AC and +5 Resistance items already, then the 'chaosgaurd effect' will not be utilized.

Correct.

Edit: apparently it's not supposed to stack but it does anyway. *boggle*

[Angelus_dead]

If you have +5 deflection AC and +5 Resistance items already, then the 'chaosgaurd effect' will not be utilized.

Nope. Chaosgarde's save bonus is not "Resistance". It's what can be called an "alignment" bonus.

[Bunker]

Just a thought. I think this could be answered with the correct spells casted in the pvp arena wearing the CG and not. So an and so forth. That is if there is not enough sufficent correct answers here on the forums.

[Raithe]

Nope. Chaosgarde's save bonus is not "Resistance". It's what can be called an "alignment" bonus.

Angelus_dead is right. I just tested it on my fighter...

Save without chaosgarde vs. fire reaver's flame strike... 25.
Save with chaosgarde vs. fire reaver's flame strike... 27.
Save without choasgarde but with prot. from evil... 27.
Save with chaosgarde and prot. from evil... 27.

My fighter has a +4 resistance item always equipped. The save bonus from protection from chaos stacks with it, but not with protection from evil.

[Donnie]

Yeah, like AD said, this falls into the alignment bonus category. Similar to rightousness and vs evil effects these bonuses always stack.

[vyvy3369]

Nope. Chaosgarde's save bonus is not "Resistance". It's what can be called an "alignment" bonus.

Actually, the devs seem to think it's a resistance bonus as well, even though it's pretty easy to demonstrate that it does stack. Link.

...No. Resistance bonuses do not stack with other Resistance bonuses. Both Protection from Evil and resistance items give Resistance bonuses to saving throws, so they should not stack. Spells like Heorism give Morale bonuses to Saving Throws so that will stack with either Resistance bonus...

[Timjc86]

*Sigh*

I'm just going to stop posting replies to threads like this, because I am never correct, no matter how sure I am. Original post edited.

[Krago]

Actually, the devs seem to think it's a resistance bonus as well, even though it's pretty easy to demonstrate that it does stack. Link.

I dont see where Silthe mentioned Chaosguarde specifically, but did mention that other types of resistance bonuses do stack. I think it was more our confusion of what type of resistance bonus Chaos provides than the devs.

[GunboatDiplomat]

*Sigh*

I'm just going to stop posting replies to threads like this, because I am never correct, no matter how sure I am. Original post edited.

I never knew this about chaosgarde either, I was wondering why the saves on my tank were slightly higher in than they should be. (but then when they're all in the 30's its not really important )

[vyvy3369]

I dont see where Silthe mentioned Chaosguarde specifically, but did mention that other types of resistance bonuses do stack.

Actually, he/she quite clearly stated "Resistance bonuses do not stack with other Resistance bonuses".

No, it wasn't specifically about Chaosgarde, but the ability in question quite clearly states in its description that it gives a "+2 Resistance bonus to saves from Chaotic enemies". I'm fairly certain I asked specifically about Chaosgarde/PfE in that thread, but I don't recall seeing a response to it.

Either way, as of the last dev post I've seen on the matter, they're both confused and wrong on this subject. As others have mentioned, it really seems to behave as more of an alignment bonus, since IIRC Chaosgarde doesn't stack with PfE.

[Gorby]

Oh Wow, I never knew this. I'll have to keep an eye on the saves the next time I have a chance to test this, not that I don't believe I was wrong heh. If AD says it's not resistance as stated on the item, then I stand corrected