Lammserver

[Erekose]

No I have not been on the server.

Reason(s):

1. I don't have the bandwidth to download content to play beta servers and play on a live server,
2. I don't have the time to beta test, therefore, I trust established friends who do for feedback,
3. Even if i did have the time, I play off peak US times (this implies limited opportunities to group to complete raids and this means pugging 4-6 spots in a raid group) and with 8 capped toons keeping them raid timered is a full time job.

On a different topic, last night I ran a shroud, approx 50 active players in group online and another 25 or so ungrouped out of quests.

Part 4 of shroud we got lag and wiped.

Why? DPS lag? You know that feeling when the party is stacked with 2twf ranger/barb Min 2 greensteel massive DPS juggernauts.

There was 5 LFM's at the time constituting about 4-5 active grouped players per lfm not in quests zerging and causing all this purported lag. So lets say 50% of the active players not in quests, but the lag tanking Harry in Part 4 was present. Why?

I would suggest that lag in the shroud is caused by budget game servers. Yup thats it folks. Economics. Turbine needs to be profitable. Cheap game servers with poor negotiated contracts cause lag. Its not zerging, its not massive population base dragging mobs through quests, its economic decisions by the peeps who have a license to administer the game.

Peace and time for bed.

E out

[Lymnus]

Cool story bro.

[KoboldKiller]

No I have not been on the server.

Reason(s):

1. I don't have the bandwidth to download content to play beta servers and play on a live server,
2. I don't have the time to beta test, therefore, I trust established friends who do for feedback,
3. Even if i did have the time, I play off peak US times (this implies limited opportunities to group to complete raids and this means pugging 4-6 spots in a raid group) and with 8 capped toons keeping them raid timered is a full time job.

On a different topic, last night I ran a shroud, approx 50 active players in group online and another 25 or so ungrouped out of quests.

Part 4 of shroud we got lag and wiped.

Why? DPS lag? You know that feeling when the party is stacked with 2twf ranger/barb Min 2 greensteel massive DPS juggernauts.

There was 5 LFM's at the time constituting about 4-5 active grouped players per lfm not in quests zerging and causing all this purported lag. So lets say 50% of the active players not in quests, but the lag tanking Harry in Part 4 was present. Why?

I would suggest that lag in the shroud is caused by budget game servers. Yup thats it folks. Economics. Turbine needs to be profitable. Cheap game servers with poor negotiated contracts cause lag. Its not zerging, its not massive population base dragging mobs through quests, its economic decisions by the peeps who have a license to administer the game.

Peace and time for bed.

E out

I agree 100%.

[akla_thornfist]

ya nerf all the twf that will fix the lag, from now on only sword and board and thf are allowed. lets just make it more like wow, then i can click on the mob and go make a sandwich and a cup of coffee come back and the fight is over

[Vordax]

No I have not been on the server.

Reason(s):

1. I don't have the bandwidth to download content to play beta servers and play on a live server,
2. I don't have the time to beta test, therefore, I trust established friends who do for feedback,
3. Even if i did have the time, I play off peak US times (this implies limited opportunities to group to complete raids and this means pugging 4-6 spots in a raid group) and with 8 capped toons keeping them raid timered is a full time job.

On a different topic, last night I ran a shroud, approx 50 active players in group online and another 25 or so ungrouped out of quests.

Part 4 of shroud we got lag and wiped.

Why? DPS lag? You know that feeling when the party is stacked with 2twf ranger/barb Min 2 greensteel massive DPS juggernauts.

There was 5 LFM's at the time constituting about 4-5 active grouped players per lfm not in quests zerging and causing all this purported lag. So lets say 50% of the active players not in quests, but the lag tanking Harry in Part 4 was present. Why?

I would suggest that lag in the shroud is caused by budget game servers. Yup thats it folks. Economics. Turbine needs to be profitable. Cheap game servers with poor negotiated contracts cause lag. Its not zerging, its not massive population base dragging mobs through quests, its economic decisions by the peeps who have a license to administer the game.

Peace and time for bed.

E out

Why don't you actually try to read what the dev's have said about lag and what they are doing to fix it before you spout any more uninformed nonsense.

What they have said:
They have a fix in for DPS lag.
Lots of mobs active causes lag, dungeon alert is an attempt to reduce active mobs.
They have new hardware coming for the new mod.


Vordax

[bandyman1]

Why don't you actually try to read what the dev's have said about lag and what they are doing to fix it before you spout any more uninformed nonsense.

What they have said:
They have a fix in for DPS lag. Which they've said several times before.
Lots of mobs active causes lag, dungeon alert is an attempt to reduce active mobs. In that particular instance? Absolutely. Server wide? ********.
They have new hardware coming for the new mod. I'll believe this when we don't end up with " Welcome Back Weekend I & II " ( which a LOT of us fondly recall as The Weekends NO ONE Could Play DDO ) type problems from the date of Mod 9s release.


Vordax

In Red.

[Vordax]

Lots of mobs active causes lag, dungeon alert is an attempt to reduce active mobs. In that particular instance? Absolutely. Server wide? ********.

Not really "server" wide but "machine" wide is what they have stated. A server "Khyber" for instance is made up of multiple machines. A particular machine may be able to host 50 instances (number from the air). When one of those instances creates a lot of mobs, it bogs that machine down and lags-out the other 49 instances hosted on that machine also.

I think a lot of people are not really understanding that there is more than 1 type of lag. They have a fix for DPS lag, I am sure it will help, though no idea how much. They added dungeon alert to fix the lag issue regarding too many AI scripts running, and I am sure it will help lag reduction also.

It wasn't designed to punish zergers, it just has that side effect. If people think that it was designed to punish zergers, I have some stock in a tin foil company I can sell you.

Vordax

[KoboldKiller]

The lag fix for DPS is called grazing hits. Now that everyone will be carrying a shield for damage reduction the DPS will drop to the point of no more lag.

[Lerincho]

ya nerf all the twf that will fix the lag, from now on only sword and board and thf are allowed. lets just make it more like wow, then i can click on the mob and go make a sandwich and a cup of coffee come back and the fight is over

that isn't how it is now? dang.

[KoboldKiller]

that isn't how it is now? dang.

Who let you out?

[Milamber69]

Why don't you actually try to read what the dev's have said about lag and what they are doing to fix it before you spout any more uninformed nonsense.
Vordax

LOL! You serious? Why dont we believe what the devs say? hmmm I wonder...

[Vordax]

LOL! You serious? Why dont we believe what the devs say? hmmm I wonder...

How many shares in the tinfoil factory did you want?

Vordax

When have they lied? And I don't mean something they said now and changed their minds in the future (i.e. evasion in full plate)

[Erekose]

Why don't you actually try to read what the dev's have said about lag and what they are doing to fix it before you spout any more uninformed nonsense.


Vordax

My post is a statement of fact. It happened.

Happy for your opinion, no need to abuse others to get it across. I hope you don't need to belittle everyone in your life to argue a point.

E

[Vordax]

My post is a statement of fact. It happened.

Happy for your opinion, no need to abuse others to get it across. I hope you don't need to belittle everyone in your life to argue a point.

E

If its a statement of fact, show me the receipts for the budget servers you said they have.

Vordax

[Erekose]

How many shares in the tinfoil factory did you want?

Vordax

When have they lied? And I don't mean something they said now and changed their minds in the future (i.e. evasion in full plate)

I recall a statement that there will never be crafting in DDO. Call it 'change your mind' or a 'lie', the point is the claim was made that DDO would NEVER have crafting, leaving them no option but to contradict their own statement. This is an example of the claims made by the devs.

I cant find the article now, the link was published on the forums around the time the shroud went live.

Perhaps, 'not considering crafting atm and leave the option to do so in the future' would have been a better way to phrase that statement.

E

[Vordax]

I recall a statement that there will never be crafting in DDO. Call it 'change your mind' or a 'lie', the point is the claim was made that DDO would NEVER have crafting, leaving them no option but to contradict their own statement. This is an example of the claims made by the devs.

I cant find the article now, the link was published on the forums around the time the shroud went live.

Perhaps, 'not considering crafting atm and leave the option to do so in the future' would have been a better way to phrase that statement.

E

Still not a lie. Different lead designer now, old guy is out new one is in. Its not a lie if they change their plans for the future of the game. Show me a real lie.

Vordax

[Milamber69]

Still not a lie. Different lead designer now, old guy is out new one is in. Its not a lie if they change their plans for the future of the game. Show me a real lie.

Vordax

How about the fact your heroes said 'MOD 9' would be release in January?

[Vordax]

How about the fact your heroes said 'MOD 9' would be release in January? Dry your eyes little man, nobody likes a fan boy.

When they said Mod 9 would be out in January, were they trying to purposefully deceive us or were they just wrong?

Vordax

[bandyman1]

When have they lied?

How about these.

That was from March 2007. When did we get monks again???

And where are those new races that " we would " ( NOT we hope, we are going to try to, we have our fingers crossed, ect, ect ) be getting by the end of the year????


Dude; Turbine has blatantly lied so many times at this point that it's not even funny.

[Vordax]

How about these.

That was from March 2007. When did we get monks again???

And where are those new races that " we would " ( NOT we hope, we are going to try to, we have our fingers crossed, ect, ect ) be getting by the end of the year????


Dude; Turbine has blatantly lied so many times at this point that it's not even funny. Are you ****ing serious with this question??? Or are you just being an assbag?

I still do not think these are lies. They underestimated and re-prioritized projects. They definitely missed a lot of dates. But again these were not lies, a lie is something said to deceive purposefully.

Vordax