14/2 Warforge clr/mnk

[croley1]

Hey all, posted this thread on the clr forum but thought it would be a good idea to post it hear as well. Im fixing to roll my first clr and really want to make another wf.

so... was wonderin if this build is viable for a WF cleric/mnk

8str
14dex
18con
16wis
8int
6cha

Thanks

P.s. i do not want to be a melee clr, i want to heal

[LastNameRage]

It is viable, I have one capped. The stats are a no deal, I personally went 8/16/16/8/16/6, and have over 400 hp. 18 con is overkill, your reflex save is gonna be lacking even with lightning reflex's at a 14 dex. Just my 2 cents, btw, you'll have fun with him, high ac, evasion, high hp, sick saves + heals...I very rarely go down.

[BlackSteel]

i'd concur with above poster; the dex should be 1-2 points higher. It'll get you more AC and reflex

[croley1]

It is viable, I have one capped. The stats are a no deal, I personally went 8/16/16/8/16/6, and have over 400 hp. 18 con is overkill, your reflex save is gonna be lacking even with lightning reflex's at a 14 dex. Just my 2 cents, btw, you'll have fun with him, high ac, evasion, high hp, sick saves + heals...I very rarely go down.

Ah ok, ill switch that up. thanks for the help

[Enochroot]

It is viable, I have one capped. The stats are a no deal, I personally went 8/16/16/8/16/6, and have over 400 hp. 18 con is overkill, your reflex save is gonna be lacking even with lightning reflex's at a 14 dex. Just my 2 cents, btw, you'll have fun with him, high ac, evasion, high hp, sick saves + heals...I very rarely go down.

Yeah, but what can this toon actually DO?

If the answer is heal, you're going to be bored out of your skull, and be a burden to not only yourself and your party, but the entire ddo community, nay, the entire world.

And, I'm missing how his saves will be "sick" ... what's a "sick" reflex save to you?

[Demoyn]

P.s. i do not want to be a melee clr, i want to heal

Why such a fancy build for a healbot? It's not like you'll be in combat to use your AC or saves anyway...

[croley1]

Why such a fancy build for a healbot? It's not like you'll be in combat to use your AC or saves anyway...

AC is somewhat decent for a clr if they can some how manage to pull it up high enough to matter, allows them to be more survivable in a sticky situation. And saves are kinda obvious, allows them to dodge spells if they perchance get hit by em, which means less mana spent on yourself, more on the group

[LastNameRage]

Yeah, but what can this toon actually DO?

If the answer is heal, you're going to be bored out of your skull, and be a burden to not only yourself and your party, but the entire ddo community, nay, the entire world.

And, I'm missing how his saves will be "sick" ... what's a "sick" reflex save to you?

Alright, maybe he doesn't have some ranger/pally/monk saves, but I can buff to high 30's reflex, all of his saves are high 30's sometimes low 40's. not many cleric type builds achieve this while still being able to functionally heal well. And I have not had problems healing, you will run into problems at the early stages for a bit due to lack of spell points...heal scrolls become your friend for a while. You can cry about it being wf all you want, the only difference for the build is him having immunites and not always getting a full bar from a heal when compared to other 14/2's really. And the whole point is to be different, ddo has pigeon'd holed us enough by virtually looking the same and building the same to accomplish the best results, some folks just need a little flavor when they roll new toons. More power to them.

[Leyoni]

The build is actually very reasonable. Decent, not spectacular, AC with evasion means the chance to get out of tough spots if needed. WF always have AC issues. No reason to think the AC on this build won't approximate that of most WF builds.

Biggest oddity is choice of race. WF is not intuitive for the build. Low starting WIS means never achieving best mana pool. Maxing to 16 still leaves a few points behind. Natural affinity in Dwarf with 18 WIS max means higher mana pool. Dwarf has issues with being fleshy but benefits from additional gear for higher potential AC.

[LastNameRage]

The ac distance is not as huge as it seems. Icy's, +8 ab's, +1 from wis or dex (rarely both) with +4 insight on kama and +2 wis on another kama = 18.

For wf, DT docent +7, with insight built in, chaosgarde and the allowance of +2 dex/wis kama + comp plating(I think) =17

The halfling version would still be atleast 2 ahead. +2 dex enhancement, 1 size, with the potentail of going 18/18 with 14 con for another +1.

So again, the only big differences are spell point pool (if he is really worried he can grab mt/imt with archmagi and shroud sp item 1600 or so is obtainable.), wf immunites and not healing yourself in one shot. And of course, wf are the sexy in the superman looking dt docent.

[Enochroot]

Alright, maybe he doesn't have some ranger/pally/monk saves, but I can buff to high 30's reflex, all of his saves are high 30's sometimes low 40's. not many cleric type builds achieve this while still being able to functionally heal well. And I have not had problems healing, you will run into problems at the early stages for a bit due to lack of spell points...heal scrolls become your friend for a while. You can cry about it being wf all you want, the only difference for the build is him having immunites and not always getting a full bar from a heal when compared to other 14/2's really. And the whole point is to be different, ddo has pigeon'd holed us enough by virtually looking the same and building the same to accomplish the best results, some folks just need a little flavor when they roll new toons. More power to them.

Sure, but my point is, the only flavor you'll actually see from this build is the looks.

I mean, I'm curious on feats taken - but from the knowledge we have so far, it's going to be the single most boring toon on the server.

I didn't say it was a bad build persay, that it wouldnt' be able to heal, etc. Just looks spectacularly boring.

How do you hit sometimes low 40's (or even high 30's) reflex? My math is off somewhere I believe.

[LastNameRage]

Obviously it is kinda gear dependant to make it so, as our most builds these days though.

26 dex, monk feat lightning reflex's, gh, recitatiom, +5 resist, water + wind stance gets mid 30's, 34 I think.

36 wisdom etc etc. will save reaches 40ish, not on the toon atm, I assure you it's there.

Con 26 + stance and buffs it is 35-40.

The fun I have with the build is the utter survivability, blade barrier + nice ac, saves 400+ hp, obtainable high dr, wf immunites ( no ones on hold etc..) makes him fun to solo.
Windtsance + finesse/twf and dual vorpal kama's make him semi decent at lobbing heads off.

The build is far from gimp, I play 12 capped toons atm and he is most definately one of my top 3, if not #1. But again, all this really comes down to the player. After playing virtually everything there is to play, quitting, coming back, quiting coming back, rinse repeat... these oddball race builds etc.. really start to appeal to some folks.

Not saying you Eno, but it's a **** shame some folks come here for feedback and get flamed for trying something new/oddball,even though in their mind it's a new hook to bite onto to stay in the game.

[Noctus]

A 40ish AC at cap is as good as a 15ish AC. Still get hit all the time.

If you cant break the 50 (many even set the breaking point at 55) only with selfbuffs (no boosts for 20secs dont count on general principles) its not really worth investing resources into obtaining a higher AC. As they will simply not influence your survivability.

[LastNameRage]

The ac obtainable on any 14/2 build is well beyond 40, and quite a bit beyond 55 buffed and when it matters.

Unbuffed.

10 base
2 Comp Plating
9 dt docent +2 comp plating
9 Dex bonus (28 dex)
12 wisdom (34 wis)
2 chaosgarde
4 insight
1 centered bonus
5 Protection
3 Chat Ring
============
57

Self Buffed.

3 Barkskin
1 Haste
2 Recitation
============
63

etc etc. outside buffs so on and so on...

May of missed some thing obviously aswell..

[Aranticus]

AC is somewhat decent for a clr if they can some how manage to pull it up high enough to matter, allows them to be more survivable in a sticky situation. And saves are kinda obvious, allows them to dodge spells if they perchance get hit by em, which means less mana spent on yourself, more on the group

if you are going to be a healbot, you are unlikely to be pulling agro and thus having a high AC is not going to benefit you as much. good saves are of coz important regardless of whether you are going to melee or just heal

[Aranticus]

Alright, maybe he doesn't have some ranger/pally/monk saves, but I can buff to high 30's reflex, all of his saves are high 30's sometimes low 40's. not many cleric type builds achieve this while still being able to functionally heal well. And I have not had problems healing, you will run into problems at the early stages for a bit due to lack of spell points...heal scrolls become your friend for a while. You can cry about it being wf all you want, the only difference for the build is him having immunites and not always getting a full bar from a heal when compared to other 14/2's really. And the whole point is to be different, ddo has pigeon'd holed us enough by virtually looking the same and building the same to accomplish the best results, some folks just need a little flavor when they roll new toons. More power to them.

GH, resist item, hogf and a +6 stat item will already increase saves by +14. i can say on average, 30-40% of a toon's save is spell/item based

[Aranticus]

Obviously it is kinda gear dependant to make it so, as our most builds these days though.

26 dex, monk feat lightning reflex's, gh, recitatiom, +5 resist, water + wind stance gets mid 30's, 34 I think.

36 wisdom etc etc. will save reaches 40ish, not on the toon atm, I assure you it's there.

Con 26 + stance and buffs it is 35-40.

The fun I have with the build is the utter survivability, blade barrier + nice ac, saves 400+ hp, obtainable high dr, wf immunites ( no ones on hold etc..) makes him fun to solo.
Windtsance + finesse/twf and dual vorpal kama's make him semi decent at lobbing heads off.

The build is far from gimp, I play 12 capped toons atm and he is most definately one of my top 3, if not #1. But again, all this really comes down to the player. After playing virtually everything there is to play, quitting, coming back, quiting coming back, rinse repeat... these oddball race builds etc.. really start to appeal to some folks.

Not saying you Eno, but it's a **** shame some folks come here for feedback and get flamed for trying something new/oddball,even though in their mind it's a new hook to bite onto to stay in the game.

i'm interested in your DT docent setup as well as feats as it seems you are trying to accomplish too much

[LastNameRage]

The same can be said for all toons except some pally splashes...? Water stance, and relatively high stats for all the saves is what got them high then most toons. Actually 14 is usually 50% + for alot of builds.

[LastNameRage]

I carry 3 dt's and, all 3 have con 6, res 5. then greater potency 7, insight +4 and greater elemental spell energy on the third untill I can get some goggles done for him. I also carry blue dragon scale for bb's...

And I am not sure what you mean by accomplishing too much...?

His current feats are max/emp/quicken/extend/mt/twf....I've been healing with him more so took mt, swap it out for finesse now and then depending on what he is gonna be doing for the next while.

[Enochroot]

I carry 3 dt's and, all 3 have con 6, res 5. then greater potency 7, insight +4 and greater elemental spell energy on the third untill I can get some goggles done for him. I also carry blue dragon scale for bb's...

And I am not sure what you mean by accomplishing too much...?

His current feats are max/emp/quicken/extend/mt/twf....I've been healing with him more so took mt, swap it out for finesse now and then depending on what he is gonna be doing for the next while.

Yeah, it's cool to actually use a build like this.

Again, if it's just a healbot as OP requested (perhaps something like MT, IMT, emp. healing, extend, quicken, ?) - then it will be absolutely boring, is all I'm saying.