True Paladin

[Aranticus]

Why all the pally hate, i dont see people complaining about no DPS pure bards?
Lastly +4 to AC and +4 to saves for an entire quest is nothing to sneeze at.

i would expect a warchanter to be able to melee and survive, a spellsinger to be able to heal, etc. its the context of the build. i'm not going to expect the caster to melee (unless its a melee build). i'm not going to expect a cleric to dps (unless is a battlecleric)

a pally is a melee class, i expect it to be able to melee and dps. and to get that dps, how many pallys actually still have tier 4 AC and saves aura?

[RTN]

a pally is a melee class, i expect it to be able to melee and dps. and to get that dps, how many pallys actually still have tier 4 AC and saves aura?

It all depends on the build and role. If you're in a raiding guild, a pure pally done up right makes for a great off intimitank (like in VOD) and the auras can really help a main intimitank. My pure pally does good, but not great DPS, with buffs can hit over 70 AC easily, has a good intim and great survivability. Due to AP costs, I'm one short of the max AC aura, but with the increased level cap I'll add it.

That said, I'm not sure if I'll remain pure or not w/ the new level cap. I probably will stay pure, but going monk 2 for two feats and evasion is pretty nice. F2 would give intim, two feats and Tower Shield proficiency. Rogue 2 would give intim and evasion. (by intim, I mean as a class skill)

[baddax]

they are trash coz my 70 ac tank can intim them, kill probably 1 by myself (depending on how good the party is), allow the others to be taken down by the party without trouble and me still having my temp hitpoints

One mans Trash.....
Not everyone can achieve such lofty Stats though.
IMO trash implies it can be Stat damaged and Such, And is not a red named.

[Aranticus]

It all depends on the build and role. If you're in a raiding guild, a pure pally done up right makes for a great off intimitank (like in VOD) and the auras can really help a main intimitank. My pure pally does good, but not great DPS, with buffs can hit over 70 AC easily, has a good intim and great survivability. Due to AP costs, I'm one short of the max AC aura, but with the increased level cap I'll add it.

That said, I'm not sure if I'll remain pure or not w/ the new level cap. I probably will stay pure, but going monk 2 for two feats and evasion is pretty nice. F2 would give intim, two feats and Tower Shield proficiency. Rogue 2 would give intim and evasion. (by intim, I mean as a class skill)

which basically is what i said. max out defensive areas on the pally, you sacrifice offense. max out offense, you lower defensive abilities

[Aranticus]

One mans Trash.....
Not everyone can achieve such lofty Stats though.
IMO trash implies it can be Stat damaged and Such, And is not a red named.

next mod, everything can be stat damaged...

seriously a vod orthon isnt that hard. 50+ ac + displacement makes it very easy for anyone to go toe to toe with it. the problem is when you put 4 together and a silly group stands in the centre of all of them and get cleaved 4x