Back to wizard staves

[Bogenbroom]

Its been mentioned before, but wizards (and sorcs) wandering around dual wielding clubs is kinda silly, and there really are no viable wizard staves in the game. I would love to see some thought put into real wizard staves.

My first thought was something along the lines of a container. You get an initial cruddy staff that can only hold 1 (or maybe 2) enchantments. As you get higher level you can find staves that let you hold more, and/or those better staves are what controls the level of the enchantment. So, for example, I staff with a level 1 wizzy staff of crudiness. I can get it enchanted (maybe by adding a rune or whatever) with spell pen. So I now have a staff of spell pen 1. Later, with a better, level 5 staff of less crudiness, I can enchant is with a combustion and spell pen so I have a Combustion 5 staff of Spell pen 5.

But then I also was thinking that a model similar to the DT armor wouldn't be bad. Not so much a container, but a simple item that can be enchanted with runes or some such. I'm not saying blind enchanting, not that part of the DT model... However, even with a method similar to DT, it would be nice to see certain items capable of supporting certain types of enchantments and not others... so those uber staves capable of support more varied enchantments would be more valuable.

Them's my thoughts.

[sisterjinx]

How about the ones wielding metal weapons (like greataxes). Now I never played 3.5 so I don't know if it changed but my DM sure never woulda let my spells work while I was trying to carry something metal. lol

[spifflove]

And very good thoughts they are.

[Bogenbroom]

How about the ones wielding metal weapons (like greataxes). Now I never played 3.5 so I don't know if it changed but my DM sure never woulda let my spells work while I was trying to carry something metal. lol

Oh heck yeah. I have one of my wizzies with a spell pen 7 bastard sword. I keep it and use it because it is goofy.

[VKhaun]

Its been mentioned before, but wizards (and sorcs) wandering around dual wielding clubs is kinda silly, and there really are no viable wizard staves in the game. I would love to see some thought put into real wizard staves.

My first thought was something along the lines of a container. You get an initial cruddy staff that can only hold 1 (or maybe 2) enchantments. As you get higher level you can find staves that let you hold more, and/or those better staves are what controls the level of the enchantment. So, for example, I staff with a level 1 wizzy staff of crudiness. I can get it enchanted (maybe by adding a rune or whatever) with spell pen. So I now have a staff of spell pen 1. Later, with a better, level 5 staff of less crudiness, I can enchant is with a combustion and spell pen so I have a Combustion 5 staff of Spell pen 5.

But then I also was thinking that a model similar to the DT armor wouldn't be bad. Not so much a container, but a simple item that can be enchanted with runes or some such. I'm not saying blind enchanting, not that part of the DT model... However, even with a method similar to DT, it would be nice to see certain items capable of supporting certain types of enchantments and not others... so those uber staves capable of support more varied enchantments would be more valuable.

Them's my thoughts.

Your ideas are interesting, but the devs will never do it when they can just put in static loot staffs with ridiculous stats on par with two weapons. It would be 1,000% times easier to go back and change the existing staff in a loot list and up it's stats. Meltwood in WW could have Superior Corrosion II on it and greater acid lore. Especially with spray of acid coming in as a lv1 spell in mod9. Tinder and Lightning Rod could be buffed up. WW, STK, Catacombs, TR, all have staves at low levels they could use to cater to all types of casters. Lots of staves in the game for them to upgrade... if they wanted to.

[Thrudh]

Its been mentioned before, but wizards (and sorcs) wandering around dual wielding clubs is kinda silly, and there really are no viable wizard staves in the game. I would love to see some thought put into real wizard staves.

My first thought was something along the lines of a container. You get an initial cruddy staff that can only hold 1 (or maybe 2) enchantments. As you get higher level you can find staves that let you hold more, and/or those better staves are what controls the level of the enchantment. So, for example, I staff with a level 1 wizzy staff of crudiness. I can get it enchanted (maybe by adding a rune or whatever) with spell pen. So I now have a staff of spell pen 1. Later, with a better, level 5 staff of less crudiness, I can enchant is with a combustion and spell pen so I have a Combustion 5 staff of Spell pen 5.

But then I also was thinking that a model similar to the DT armor wouldn't be bad. Not so much a container, but a simple item that can be enchanted with runes or some such. I'm not saying blind enchanting, not that part of the DT model... However, even with a method similar to DT, it would be nice to see certain items capable of supporting certain types of enchantments and not others... so those uber staves capable of support more varied enchantments would be more valuable.

Them's my thoughts.

Great idea... we need a staff crafting system like the DT armor or Shroud... However, we'll need 4 or more slots to equal the power provided by carrying two clubs, or two Greensteel items, and exceptional bonuses need to be an option in there as well (so we can replace our +9 CHA or +9 INT shroud weapons)

[Thrudh]

Your ideas are interesting, but the devs will never do it when they can just put in static loot staffs with ridiculous stats on par with two weapons. It would be 1,000% times easier to go back and change the existing staff in a loot list and up it's stats. Meltwood in WW could have Superior Corrosion II on it and greater acid lore. Especially with spray of acid coming in as a lv1 spell in mod9. Tinder and Lightning Rod could be buffed up. WW, STK, Catacombs, TR, all have staves at low levels they could use to cater to all types of casters. Lots of staves in the game for them to upgrade... if they wanted to.

You're right... it would be easier to just create (and upgrade existing) staffs with enough power to rival two Shroud weapons...

[OnyxBMW]

I was wondering about this, when I finally found out that you could, in fact, dual-weild 2 scepters without penalty.

If you ever allow 2 1 hand weapons, esp to be so universally used, then your 2h weapons should be roughly double the power to even them out, and I was wondering if this was the case.

I support the idea of at least buffing staves to offer up to 4 stats to rival 2 1h weapons in stats, esp. since staves aren't used as combat weapons.

A crafting system would be a bit too complicated, but I imagine it could be done and would solve the issue as well.

[VKhaun]

The easy solution is a single crafting alchemical ritual.


two one hand weapons bound and attuned
One staff bound and attuned
X of collectible 1
Y of collectible 2
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Becomes staff with 'caster related' bonuses of the above two. Requires the highest level requirement of them all to equip it. Plus <insert something to gain from doing the ritual>. 3 clicks of a random spell at CL=level requirement. +1 all DC's stacks with focus. Whatever. Something that it's better and not just equal, to be worth the ingredients and shards.

[sephiroth1084]

I'd definitely like to see a staff with:
-potency
-spell pen
-inherent stat
-arcane lore
-school focus

Obviously relevantly high levels of each of those. While this seems unreasonable at first blush, we already have GS weapons that encompass nearly everything a melee character could want in a weapon: att, dam, special damage, AC, and useful spell clicky.

[Angelus_dead]

The easy solution is a single crafting alchemical ritual.
Becomes staff with 'caster related' bonuses of the above two. Requires the highest level requirement of them all to equip it. Plus <insert something to gain from doing the ritual>. 3 clicks of a random spell at CL=level requirement. +1 all DC's stacks with focus. Whatever. Something that it's better and not just equal, to be worth the ingredients and shards.

That's not really a solution, because it gives the player hardly any incentive to do the ritual. All he gets out of it is saving one spot in his inventory, but he loses out on the flexibility to put a different item in one hand. +1 inventory isn't worth meltings two good scepters into a staff.

[sephiroth1084]

That's not really a solution, because it gives the player hardly any incentive to do the ritual. All he gets out of it is saving one spot in his inventory, but he loses out on the flexibility to put a different item in one hand. +1 inventory isn't worth meltings two good scepters into a staff.

I think the entire notion/discussion is of a purely aesthetic nature: wizards typically wield staves of power, not pairs of clubs or scepters.

[VKhaun]

^
That... and I even said add something to make it worth the ingredients.

[Paleale]

How about duct tape? You can tape the 2 clubs or scepters together.

[cm2_supernova]

I heart my caster because I am Dual Weilding a CHA 9 bastard sword and a Potency Rapier...all while running around in a mitheral chain shirt.

[Rickpa]

It seems that most quarterstaves have great weapon effects, or one of two essential caster effects. The normal configuration before level 9 is a manna club in the left hand, and a spell school focus, or potency item in the right. Then after level 9, we have a pearl of power 10, and a spell penetration item replaces the weapon in the left hand. The dual wielding mage is the only good option, and that's sad.

[Lunewann]

Hmmmmm here is my 2 cents worth....

Staves are what we all belive a wizard represents... Although in this game it is more practical to use two weapons, defently when you wish to cast scrolls aswell.
I mean all good casters normally have a stock-pile, be they heal/reconstruction/greater hero.... or what ever.
It is much easier to keep your most important things be it spell pen or potency.... jeez even ya +9 stat in one hand and a scroll in the other than it is to try and cast a scroll with a two-handed weapon... because it just can't be done.

Lune Out.

[Thrudh]

How about duct tape? You can tape the 2 clubs or scepters together.

+1 rep for you!

[winsom]

a new eldritch ritual to combine two 1-handed weapons with arcane abilities into a staff with the abilities of both. Then our wizards could look more wizardly.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

How about the ones wielding metal weapons (like greataxes). Now I never played 3.5 so I don't know if it changed but my DM sure never woulda let my spells work while I was trying to carry something metal. lol

The metal thing disappeared in 3.x

a new eldritch ritual to combine two 1-handed weapons with arcane abilities into a staff with the abilities of both. Then our wizards could look more wizardly.

This idea I like.