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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaearth View Post
    So... Let me get this straight (snip)
    I doubt he was ever really trying to give any help at all. See this quote for reference:
    Quote Originally Posted by VKhaun View Post
    4) Trolling a specific person.

    Now. You have to be careful with trolling ONE GUY, because it's purely for yourself. You can't take credit later or people will say you're just saying it because you don't want to look stupid. You have to not care ahead of time, and use looking stupid to your advantage. That's the whole point. You have the target's attention and they are frustrated with you, but like fishing you've got to keep them hooked... giving and taking.

    Find something REALLY REALLY important to someone. A favorite, zone, quest, raid, build, tactic, or even favorite pet peve to whine about on forums. Refute something about it to get their attention, and then slowly leave logic behind. If you're losing them, throw a compliment, give them something really easy to argue and prove 100% right, or concede a point they've argued, to another person saying the same thing later.

    If you've had them for a while, like a page, and they're replying quickly, you can even pull a Bug's Bunny and change sides on some old sub-argument. If they pick up the wrong side you can point it out immediately, because it doesn't matter that YOU look stupid, only that they swapped.

    #4, if done right, is awesome because you can drop it on people later
    Totally unrelated thread, but with a clever tie-in you can instantly have them.
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    Thanks for the head's up, V.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaearth View Post
    So... Let me get this straight.
    You're advising a new player to multiclass his caster, making him a (somewhat) less effective caster, for benefits to solo play that will offer little, if any, benefit when he does join a party?

    Granted, evasion, UMD, and a bit better reflex save are all useful to the party, but, generally speaking, if you're taking 2 levels of rogue on your wizzy, sacrificing some of your casting potential in the process, groups are likely going to be a bit peeved to find you don't do traps.

    And if you try to argue that his build is for solo play so his effectiveness in a party doesn't matter...
    Screenshots/vids of your build soloing all currently available and future raids, if you'd be so kind.

    Ghoste's approach, on the other hand, has absolutely no negative impact on your effectiveness as a caster. That is why he is trying to get the point across that evasion is not completely necessary. Is it helpful? Yes. But you also sacrifice for the gain, and it is up to the player to make an informed decision as to whether or not that gain is greater than the loss in his case according to his playstyle.

    Granted I was having my fun with Ghoste after a point, but the build was always intended for solo and there's nothing wrong with a two splash for evasion. It's preference at that point.

    I don't get your request for soloing all content or the way you emphasize and exaggerate things. Even Ghoste hasn't said he's against an Evasion splash. Seems to me like you're a Ghoste fanboi disappointed his robotic body has no cattle prod to cybersuck, and you assumed too much in your haste to defend him.





    Quote Originally Posted by Ghoste View Post
    I doubt he was ever really trying to give any help at all. See this quote for reference:
    Thanks for the head's up, V.
    I most certainly was at the beginning. Even if something I said was incorrect. I hope you're trying to pull some misguided counter-troll here, because any clever construct can read the rest of that thread. It was the nature of the competent responses I got that lead to my trolling here.
    Last edited by VKhaun; 07-04-2009 at 09:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VKhaun View Post
    I don't get your request for soloing all content or the way you emphasize and exaggerate things. Even Ghoste hasn't said he's against an Evasion splash. Seems to me like you're a Ghoste fanboi disappointed his robotic body has no cattle prod to cybersuck, and you assumed too much in your haste to defend him.
    You're free to your opinions. I didn't say I was against an evasion splash either. I did, however, say that (in my experience) a group taking a wiz 14/rog 2 are expecting trap removal (generally taking for granted that the 2 rogue levels are for trap skills and umd).

    When you try and join a party with such expectations (and, unless you can reliably solo all content both current and future, you will), don't be suprised if your build gets the boot. If you're going to take the plunge, no sense in doing it half-arsed if you can help it.
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    Default wow dude....

    VKhaun....
    Dude, seriously....some new guy comes to the forums asking for advice on the build he wants to play and you singlehandedly turn it into a 3page flaming of ONE GUY because he has a tried and true alternative to information you were PROVEN WRONG ABOUT.
    For all your effort and eloquance....you are a complete idiot, and obviously have way too much time on your hands.
    The post that Ghoste recently quoted you on just proves that. You actually sit around thinking of ways to use these forums to act like a jerk. Bravo!
    Go back to middle school, dude.
    I have spent the better part of the last 3 days in both this forum and the rogue forum (I am a rogue, the class makes up for about 80% of my total characters) looking for a good build to solo with.
    Instead of coming here and just making new threads about the same old questions, I chose to read. To see who the knowledgable people on the subject were, and to see what tactics they were using.
    I discovered Ghoste and his Shadowmage build very quickly.
    He has a vast amount of knowledge on the issue. He has TRIED VARIOUS APPROACHES. He has obviously seen and solo'ed alot of endgame content. He has taken the time to make videos to back up his claims, to help inform noobs like myself, and even veterans who still obviously have not learned (like you).
    His approach to his suggestions has not once (that I have yet discovered) discouraged any player, new or old, to try their own ideas for themselves.
    Ghoste is doing his best to teach and enlighten, and has gained much well deserved community respect for his efforts.
    It takes a real jerk to target someone like that and try and tear them down just for the sake of doing it.
    You are a real piece of work

    *edit*
    I just want to point out that this is my first post here at ddo.com. I've come to respect Ghoste for what I have seen from him. I so strongly believe that your behavior and flaming of him is so unwarranted that I actually felt the need to speak up.
    Last edited by Arcadius2423; 10-03-2009 at 08:13 AM.

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