Self-resurection for $0.90

[Vallin]

Yeah!!! You tell him Vallin!!!

How dare anyone even suggest that pop is declining!!! The entire 90,000+ subs that the game started with are all still here playing the game!!!! There was never a reason to decrease the amount of servers, because everyone is still here playing, it's just that Turbine thought that the lag would add challenge!!!! Hell; We get 9000 new subs every day!!! DDO is the most successful game ever!!! It makes more revenue than WoW and LotRO combined!!! This has never been a niche game, that is really only played by those who enjoy it's differences. WHY ARE YOU SO NEGATIVE!???!

This thread is drama-rama of Khyberian proportions:

Actor 1: "Consider this though. It has always been on my mind since day one of all of this is that if this new DDO2 fails...we have no DDO1 to fall back on. If it fails, it's over. No fallback plan here."

Actor 2: "It already is over. We have what, 15% left of us that started in beta/headstart? Think about it."

Actor 1: "As long as we still have some fight left in us, it aint over yet."

Roll your eyes all your want - this is just hilarious. If you want to see how this scene plays on film, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xm1XErUvXo

Vallin

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

If you want to see how this scene plays on film, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xm1XErUvXo

Oooooohh, so now you are comparing what many of us feel about the current and future state of DDO to... movie scripts?


In Joe Pesci's great comedic voice: "Ok ok Ok!! Lemmie tell you what movie script you remind me of Vallin! Ok Ok Ok?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o

[Yargore]

They've already said the store won't be available in raids.

If the self ressurection won't work in raids, I don't really see the problem here.
In more or less every quest you can release and reenter, it's the same thing really.
If people want to pay for not having to run back to the quest, why can't they?
There is nothing gamebreaking about it.

[Vallin]

Oooooohh, so now you are comparing what many of us feel about the current and future state of DDO to... movie scripts?


In Joe Pesci's great comedic voice: "Ok ok Ok!! Lemmie tell you what movie script you remind me of Vallin! Ok Ok Ok?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o

Um, ok. That makes sense.

[bandyman1]

This thread is drama-rama of Khyberian proportions:

Actor 1: "Consider this though. It has always been on my mind since day one of all of this is that if this new DDO2 fails...we have no DDO1 to fall back on. If it fails, it's over. No fallback plan here."

Actor 2: "It already is over. We have what, 15% left of us that started in beta/headstart? Think about it."

Actor 1: "As long as we still have some fight left in us, it aint over yet."

Roll your eyes all your want - this is just hilarious. If you want to see how this scene plays on film, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xm1XErUvXo

Vallin

Naw bro.

What's hilarious is people like you with your hands over your ears, stomping your foot and yelling " There is no problem!!! " at the top of your lungs.

This is pretty much a last ditch effort for Turbine to save DDO. If it fails, I'm pretty sure it's " game over ".

Do I want the game to succeed? Absolutely.

I just think Turbine is going about it the wrong way, by alienating those that have actually supported their product for 3+ years, on the hope that new players will actually sub to the game in sufficient numbers to offset those they lose + some.

[Vallin]

Naw bro.

What's hilarious is people like you with your hands over your ears, stomping your foot and yelling " There is no problem!!! " at the top of your lungs.

This is pretty much a last ditch effort for Turbine to save DDO. If it fails, I'm pretty sure it's " game over ".

Do I want the game to succeed? Absolutely.

I just think Turbine is going about it the wrong way, by alienating those that have actually supported their product for 3+ years, on the hope that new players will actually sub to the game in sufficient numbers to offset those they lose + some.

Listen, even Zork came to its end. Games have natural lives. I expect that most here will outlive the game. We will all survive, somehow.

I never said there weren't problems - I am just pointing out that solutions aren't advanced by DRAMA AND DOOM!!1!

Vallin

[bandyman1]

I never said there weren't problems - I am just pointing out that solutions aren't advanced by DRAMA AND DOOM!!1!
Vallin

Solutions aren't advanced by ****ing off those who've stuck by you for 3 years either.

Take notes Kate; Please take freaking notes.

[Vallin]

Solutions aren't advanced by ****ing off those who've stuck by you for 3 years either.

Take notes Kate; Please take freaking notes.

You may have a valid point here to some degree, but since it is the day of video references to help people understand what they sound like I will leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYV-nEE300

Vallin

[Borror0]

I never said there weren't problems - I am just pointing out that solutions aren't advanced by DRAMA AND DOOM!!1!

Oh, so instead of debating their points you simply debate their tone? Way to go!

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Listen, even Zork came to its end.

Ok if ANYBODY can talk about Zork it would be me, Frobozz. After all... I named my 1st drow wizard in that fantastic game's honor, back in '06.

Infocom has gone down as one of the greatest game developers of all time. They were pioneers. Without their visions, much of the porting of D&D to the computer world would have taken place at a later time and in different ways... Infocom showed em all how its supposed to be done. The Zork Great Underground Empire filled many a gamers' minds for decades.

Turbine has done many great things too. But their history isnt nearly as verbose as Infocom. I see people like Borro0 and Bandy and dozens of founding members like myself trying to explain to Turbine to stop the bleeding. We already know the e-store isnt for US. We can see its nothing more than a BUSINESS PLAN for them.

The game as it stands now is great. What we need we HAVE been vocalizing.. no voice has been louder than the voices that have asked for "more content." We can use a general sprucing up across the board. We got both in "Mod 9". The lamania game feels fresh and snappy. Give us a HUGE marketing and advertizing blitz as was promised and release this puppy NOW. Done and Done.

There is no need for an e-store in addition to this. It will be the straw that breaks the camels back for many a veteran. Remember, changing our gameplay this drastically AFTER making us wait almost a year for a new Mod is NOT a great combination.

Oh, and still no mod. Every day that passes is another day we lose a veteran player. I hear the chatter every day in game. People are bored. They have left in droves.

"Thats not Kansas, Dorothy", thats fact.

[Vallin]

We can see its nothing more than a BUSINESS PLAN for them.

Seriously, why would you think it was anything other than a BUSINESS PLAN for them?

Other than that, just the addition of content doesn't solve anything - that is just too simplistic an answer. If they add new content, people will gain 'experience points' and then expect to 'level' their characters. They will want their characters to become more powerful. They will want their characters to find new magical items. That will lead to balance issues and they have to find ways to manage an increasingly complex game world.

It seems that the history of this game is that they already added a lot of content over the last couple years and one could reasonably surmise that the act of adding content has not been as successful as they want it to be or as successful as they believe it can be. So they are changing and evolving the game. Actually, people expect and demand that of Turbine - at least based on reading these forums.

Then, with every change and evolution there are people who come onto the forums and begin proclaiming that these are the End Times. I don't know why it is so hard for people to actually try the changes before proclaiming that the game is broken - game over! - now they are stealing kids lunch money! - and so on.

You will hear no argument from me about how challenging the long wait has been. If I hadn't spent so much time playing I would have said it wasn't worth my sub fee - but I find that I have to shut my mouth because despite the lack of new content I still logged on and capped a bunch of new characters and tried new races and classes.

People can always vote with their subscriptions. That is their ultimate right. I don't doubt that people have left - but there is an equally convincing argument that a lot of people are sticking around because it is still fun while we have been waiting.

Vallin

[Borror0]

People can always vote with their subscriptions. That is their ultimate right. I don't doubt that people have left - but there is an equally convincing argument that a lot of people are sticking around because it is still fun while we have been waiting.

I would bet that a lot of us were tricked into the "Oh, Module 9 is not that far away" that we've been repeatedly told and figured that it was not worth losing the $10/month deal simply because it would be released in a month or two later rather than simply because we are still entertained by the current end game.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I don't doubt that many people have left - but there is a badly concieved argument that some people are sticking around because it is still fun while we have been waiting.

Fixed that for you.

Many more have left than hung around. I have screen shots of my 1st full friends list in 06-07 and its embarrassing how many have left. The reasons they have left for the most part is the same..... they were bored.

As for doom talk. You can research my posts... I've spoken very little of negativity and doom of DDO. In fact I have defended it. I HAVE had to say goodbye to too many great players though.

I will not change my mind about the estore. Stock that sucka with some fun stuff (like cosmetic changes of our toons and gear, etc) or eliminate it all together. A compromise could be to simply take out certain items that alter the WAY the game is played... aka the EASY buttons.

[Borror0]

A compromise could be to simply take out certain items that alter the WAY the game is played... aka the EASY buttons.

I would say that this is what 99% of the anti-eStore are aiming for.

[Vallin]

I would bet that a lot of us were tricked into the "Oh, Module 9 is not that far away" that we've been repeatedly told and figured that it was not worth losing the $10/month deal simply because it would be released in a month or two later rather than simply because we are still entertained by the current end game.

Could be. But as I indicated I find myself in a difficult position where I can't complain based on my own usage and enjoyment despite the wait.

So if people calculate their entertainment hours based on the sub fee, and find that they logged in and played/enjoyed many hours despite the fact that there was no new content - do they have a right to complain?

If people did not obtain value out of what they paid for then that is their problem. I also personally think that if someone's budget is broken over a $10 vs. $15 per month sub fee then they shouldn't be wasting their money on subscription fee video games.

Vallin

[Borror0]

I also personally think that if someone's budget is broken over a $10 vs. $15 per month sub fee then they shouldn't be wasting their money on subscription fee video games.

Do you know what the $10/months entails or you're just talking about something you don't know of again?

[Vallin]

Do you know what the $10/months entails or you're just talking about something you don't know of again?

What difference is it to me what your pricing plan is? Whatever the plan is that you are signed up under - if it is not worth it to you then you are stupid to pay.

I pay the fee I pay because it is worth it, to me. You should do what is worth it, to you. Not complicated at all.

Vallin

[Borror0]

What difference is it to me what your pricing plan is? Whatever the plan is that you are signed up under - if it is not worth it to you then you are stupid to pay.

Before you talk about something, make sure you know about it.

The plan is that you pay for 6 months but you pay $10/month. Thus, you save $60/year. Overall, it's a nice deal. In this case, a lot of people on that deal made a calculation of cost/gain. Since the the plan saves $30 over six months, it means that even if you don't play for two months it's still cheaper. Thus, if you found it hard to believe that Module 9 would be released in July, the logical choice was to keep paying!

Note that even in the event that module 9 was released after, if you planned to keep paying for another six months after, staying was still more rewarding.

[Quanefel]

What difference is it to me what your pricing plan is? Whatever the plan is that you are signed up under - if it is not worth it to you then you are stupid to pay.

I pay the fee I pay because it is worth it, to me. You should do what is worth it, to you. Not complicated at all.

Vallin

Tell that to all the people who were mislead into thinking mod 9 was going to be coming out soon, months ago.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

tell That To All The People Who Were Mislead Into Thinking Mod 9 Was Going To Be Coming Out Soon, Months Ago.

Qft.