Pure Rogue Build Question

[Aenoanx]

I posted in request a build forum for a pure rogue, but the person who has been doing the builds is pretty swamped. So I thought I would come here. I recently hit enough favor for Drow and I would like to make a pure rogue build.
This is the build that was suggested I try it was a Assassin Rogue with a reason ability to unlock and disable traps without being a heavy trapsin. But it was designed for Halfling who might splash monk - which I would assume would be 1 level?
Couple of questions with it,

1) 10wis enough to get good ac, if I choose too splash? Which might not happen until level cap is raised. I'd then maybe go up to 14instead of 12str or add more dex if I could.
2) How much does this build/path differ from say a pure rogue who is all about max dps?

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Level 16 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(16 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 186
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 18
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    12
Dexterity            16                    24
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               12                    12
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               7                    26
Bluff                 3                    24
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             3                    18
Disable Device        6                    22
Haggle                3                    18
Heal                  1                     1
Hide                  3                    17
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  1                    18
Listen                1                     3
Move Silently         3                    17
Open Lock             7                    26
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    22
Spot                  5                    20
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                7                    11
Use Magic Device      3                    18

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Way of the Assassin I
Enhancement: Way of the Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II

[Noctus]

To be on the safe side concerning a potential monk splash i´d lower STR by 2 and raise WIS by 2.


The rest of the build looks fine.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Drop 2 int, add 2 wis. (if you're going monk splash that is.)
Don't go with lower strength that 12, you wont be dealing any damage to elementals and other dr mobs if you do. Going less than 12 strength on any melee character is gimping yourself.
I wouldn't go lower than 13/14.

[Feylina]

sorry i wasn't thinking and forgot you could get the ac bonus uncentered. with a monk splash i would drop the str to 8. bump dex to 18 and wis to 14. the +2 to hit > +2 damage imo. if going pure rogue or 1 level of fighter / ranger i would drop wis down and bump dex. just my opinion though.

[Leyoni]

I recently hit enough favor for Drow and I would like to make a pure rogue build.

So why ask about a halfling build?

Drow have different starting stats and your stats will be better as a Drow even though you are only working with 28 build points.

Decision time from the very first moment -- is AC going to matter to you or not? Current wisdom on the forums is that AC under 65 or so is not worth having. The compensation is to have as many HP as possible since your AC isn't going to stop anything.

If you think you can hit 65+ for AC then you have to put build points into DEX and WIS -- and you have to take 1 level of monk. In terms of build points you get the most mileage from DEX 16 and WIS 14. You then raise DEX because it is the rogue class stat (you get enhancements to improve DEX). So, even though you could start with a 20 DEX you get more value from 17 DEX and 14 WIS. The actual starting stats are 12 17 12 14 14 10.

OTOH, if you think you are not going to hit 65+ for AC then don't waste time with the monk splash and don't waste time with WIS. The only skill WIS affects is Spot -- and most traps are well known. Instead invest in CON. DEX can be left at 16 (the highest you get w/o spending 2 build points per stat point). Your stats then look more like this 14 16 14 14 10 10.

You can fiddle with INT a bit. INT affects both Search and Disable Device. Choose either 12 or 14 depending on what skills you are planning to use. INT 14 gives you 10 skill points per level, INT 12 gives only 9.

Choice of Assassion or Acrobat -- recommending Acrobat at the moment.

[Varr]

I like your stats as is.....maybe slide two con or int to wis for twenty less hp or twenty five less skill points for one more ac and will save if you are really going to push ac. One point of str damage is not much really but to get you ac you need to stay unencumbered. I load my rogues up with weapons toys and scrolls, so have to pay attention to load. Now way eight str is playable unless your only going to carry a pair of vorp kamas and one gird.

[Aenoanx]

So why ask about a halfling build?

Drow have different starting stats and your stats will be better as a Drow even though you are only working with 28 build points.

Decision time from the very first moment -- is AC going to matter to you or not? Current wisdom on the forums is that AC under 65 or so is not worth having. The compensation is to have as many HP as possible since your AC isn't going to stop anything.

If you think you can hit 65+ for AC then you have to put build points into DEX and WIS -- and you have to take 1 level of monk. In terms of build points you get the most mileage from DEX 16 and WIS 14. You then raise DEX because it is the rogue class stat (you get enhancements to improve DEX). So, even though you could start with a 20 DEX you get more value from 17 DEX and 14 WIS. The actual starting stats are 12 17 12 14 14 10.

OTOH, if you think you are not going to hit 65+ for AC then don't waste time with the monk splash and don't waste time with WIS. The only skill WIS affects is Spot -- and most traps are well known. Instead invest in CON. DEX can be left at 16 (the highest you get w/o spending 2 build points per stat point). Your stats then look more like this 14 16 14 14 10 10.

You can fiddle with INT a bit. INT affects both Search and Disable Device. Choose either 12 or 14 depending on what skills you are planning to use. INT 14 gives you 10 skill points per level, INT 12 gives only 9.

Choice of Assassion or Acrobat -- recommending Acrobat at the moment.

Im aware its a assling build (halfling) but if you read my post - you'd know this is the build I was shown for my first rogue. So I am pretty much bassing my DROW rogue around this

I haven't decided if I want to splash monk yet. I am looking for basically the pro's and con's at the moment, right now I like the pure rogue.

Right now my Drow Rogue is looking like this, like the above spec.

14str
16dex
14con
14int
10wis
10cha

Which gave me 40 skill points to play with. And I invested pretty much it all to stealth, lock picking, and search/spot things of this nature, and balance of course. I left tumble more or less a lone (1pt wonder)
I am not sure if I should be putting continuous points into both bluff and diplomacy or just pick one of the two.
And then from there going the standard finesse route which I like. Skill points will take some tweaking, still not sure whats considered more useful and which isn't ie, listen worth anything more then the base points it already has?

PS> I don't think AC is gunna matter, if I find some items w/ bonus ac on it like the +2str +1 armor bracer I found, Im more considered on focusing on sneak attack damage and over all dps.

[Aenoanx]

To be on the safe side concerning a potential monk splash i´d lower STR by 2 and raise WIS by 2.


The rest of the build looks fine.

I would think 10str would be way to low, but if I consider a monk splash it wouldn't be until I was 18 or 19, when the patch finally hits.

I like your stats as is.....maybe slide two con or int to wis for twenty less hp or twenty five less skill points for one more ac and will save if you are really going to push ac. One point of str damage is not much really but to get you ac you need to stay unencumbered. I load my rogues up with weapons toys and scrolls, so have to pay attention to load. Now way eight str is playable unless your only going to carry a pair of vorp kamas and one gird.

This is a good point too. I carry a ton of junk and my first toon (rogue) is only level 5 and hes already 3 tabs full of clickies, wands and scrolls. and 3 changes of weapons, piercers, slashing and maces for appropriate opponents (zombies ftl )

[Leyoni]

I am not sure if I should be putting continuous points into both bluff and diplomacy or just pick one of the two.

Sorry for not getting back on this.

You do not need much bluff. There is only one quest in the game where you should use bluff -- and that is to get the quest given to you without having to shell out gold pieces. After that it becomes a personal preference whether it is better to bluff or diplo.

Personally, I'd recommend diplo over bluff every time. I'm sure someone has reasons why this is bad advice....

With 40 skill points at L1 and 10 per level after that you can keep all the key rogue skills maxed out -- disable, search, hide, move silently, UMD, jump. You have enough to keep open locks and spot maxed out. Then you have 2 more points.

I recommend NOT putting skill points into balance and instead taking Way of the Acrobat. Balance helps you get up after being knocked down. Acrobat prevents your being knocked down.

But, if you really want to go with Assassin then put points into balance. That leaves 1 point. I've seen some really good twitch players who can tumble like crazy. If that is you then tumble. If not, then your last point goes into diplomacy.

If you decide on Acrobat then your last points go into diplomacy and whatever else you like (tumble, bluff, whatever).