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I'll stop the second someone points out that I am (and is correct).
I have.


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So you admit that the improved empower II (the enhancement I stop at) is more efficient than maximize? Well ****... maybe I'll be incorrect next time.
I didn't just admit it, I've shown the math on exactly how much it is or isn't, I see no reasoning behing your logic besides "8 for 50% feels better than 21 for 100%"

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Even if you DO have quicken, are you really going to plan your feats to save mana in TWO quests instead of the hundred others that you run? If you turn quicken on in any quest other than Kobold or VoD you're just a horribly unskilled healer. Can't be incorrect here as this is an opinion, but from a logical standpoint it's still the side to choose.
No, I don't run with quicken all the time, you are correct there. But in the times when mana efficiency actual MATTERS (the quests you mention, perhaps?) - I do run with it. Great, you have more mana efficiency in braindead easy quests, great? I tend to dump mana like the plague in those quests for no good reason other than to see pretty pixels on my screen. Meh? My gut goes opposite yours.


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Ok, let's do the math. It's 5% less efficient to use empowered healing in two quests. It's 2% more efficient to use empowered healing in ~100 quests. That puts me at about 190% more efficient than you. Maybe I'll be incorrect next time.
As stated above, they're the only two quests that matter. Have fun in WW efficiency.

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Even a well built battle cleric shouldn't be having aggro often. That's pretty much a wasted slot if it requires you to get hit and you're not getting hit. I suppose it would be decent enough for Harry, but I'm not about to farm a raid necklace for one fight. Obviously this is also an opinion, so maybe I'll be wrong next time.
If you don't have aggro often, you're not doing as much damage as you seem to think. If you're not regenning mana, you're MUCH less efficient than I am, in ALL quests.

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I absolutely obliterate things in general content with my melee capabilities (though not quite as much as a pure melee character, thus the lack of aggro). I'd completely agree with you on a caster cleric, but why would you spend 5 feats (power attack, improved critical, two weapon fighting, improved two weapon fighting, and greater two weapon fighting) to get supreme melee capabilities when you could spend one (maximize) and completely obliterate general content? Oh right... you wouldn't. Maybe I'll be incorrect next time.
How can you obliterate things in general content and not pull aggro?

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Well ****... there's nothing else to answer to and I'm still not incorrect. How about we just compromise then? Instead of saying empowered healing is ALWAYS more efficient than maximize (which technically I haven't said to that affect), I'll just say that battle clerics who choose empowered healing instead of maximize are ALWAYS smarter than those that don't (unless they pay $15 a month to only run two quests over and over)?

There is nothing else to say. People can draw their own conclusions, I just want the CORRECT information out there for them to decide (IE. it's a very close race between the two on efficiency, and maximize comes with benefits ^^)


We haven't even discussed when you need to toss out a heal (unquickened, apparently) and have to untoggle emp. healing not to waste sp ... Or you just have such good micro you can OBLITERATE melee, untoggle/toggle metas, AND cast VERY slowly? (and while doing all that, somehow keep your DPS up to remain useful?)