Quick Build Advice !

[96th_Malice]

Hey all

I figured here would be the place to ask on a build for my 10th toon slot on Khyber.

A couple quick noteson this toon

1 - Primary Weapon is a bow ( like my 8 other toons )

2 - Does not want ANY TWF type or Melee feats

3 - Race = Elf

So with that said ..... Which is a better build ?

14 Ranger / 2 Barb OR 14 Barb / 2 Ranger

I have not looked beyond 16th lvl on this toon ( or any of my other toons ) If you can see some benefit to adding other classes anywhere within this build I'd be more than happy to hear about them

Once again Thanks all

[Kriogen]

Ranger 20. Capstone.

[Reverand]

Personally, i think Multishot is the key to good ranged attacks. Its only a short boost every 2 minutes but it really make a difference. I would go with the 14 ranger / barb is you HAD to get 2 barb in it.

Barbarian focus gets you
1. Extra damage from rage.
2. Medium armor

Ranger focus gets you
1. evasion
2. rams might
3. self resist spells
4. MULTISHOT
5. Arcane archer or Deepwood Sniper lines
6. Improves Percise Shot

I'm sure I'm missing something, but really, the level 20 ranger capstone is another Archery boost, so you might just want to keep it pure Elf Ranger to 20.

~Reverand

[96th_Malice]

Ranger 20. Capstone.

I have 5 pure Rangers headed to 20th

Looking for somthing different I guess .... I have a couple Ranger Cross classes including a 14 Barb / 2 Ranger already.... Her damage with the Radience bow is unbelieveable. I got my FIRST Harry Kill in Part 4 yesterday using just this bow !

Anyways. I like her enough to the point that I'd do a 2nd "Kaeylee Build"

BUT

I just figured you guys here would have MUCH better experience in thinking "outside of the Ranged Ranger box" than I would.

I do see your benefit however in going the opposite way of Kaeylee. The 14 Ranger / 2 Barb makes sence for resists without a doubt

Any suggestions beyond 16 ?

[maddmatt70]

Well I can not reveal anything with the NDA in place, but there is a chance again an 18 fighter 1 ranger 1 bard will be on par with 20 ranger depending on how hard you work to get items/gear. You would be an arcane archer/kensai. First level bard about the 8the level ranger all the rest ranger. The reason for when you take those levels is to maximize skills. This is a good character to use a +2 int tome on with the limited skills points. You want to maximize umd and get a decent spot.

[Kriogen]

...I just figured you guys here would have MUCH better experience in thinking "outside of the Ranged Ranger box" than I would.

It's not a flame, but you have 8 bow users, you allready have 5 rangers, and now you want another :/

Ranged is:
- bow
- repeater
- thrown
- spells

Thrown not good, low rate of fire, multishot doesnt work. Elven wizard? You can even go Arcane Archer. Maybe even repeater AA.

OK, maybe Ranger14/Barb6 or Ranger12/Barb8 for better/more raging. Ranger18/Barb2 is weaker vs pure Ranger20, no capstone and no extra FE.
Extra FE gives +2 damage, the same as +4 Str, so if you can't get better then +4 Str while raging then Barb levels are a waste.

Not much time left until Mod X, but something like Barbarian16/Ranger2/Rogue2 with Critical Rage II would also work.

[sigtrent]

I'd say the ranger is the better overall character. The barbarian is nice if you want to be a bow and melee DPS but you don't want to do that. The barb could do some huge damage attacks, but in the long run I think the ranger is better and I'd skip the Barbarian splash with what we have coming in mod 9 unless you like to take your time leveling (as I do) in which case you might have fun with the extra movement speed.

[Demoyn]

1 - Primary Weapon is a bow ( like my 8 other toons )

Looking for somthing different I guess ....

I've got an idea for something different... why don't you play something worth logging in for instead of making yet another carbon copy of a gimped toon?

[VKhaun]

Does it have to be a ranger?

Fighters can get bow strength on their own. Did you know that? You need some prerequisites, including +4BAB, Point-blank Shot, WF: Ranged, and Weapon Specialization: Ranged. Going pure ranged you can have Bow Strength and all of those at exactly lv4.

Elf, pure fighter, bow kensai.

Ranger capstone = 20%.
Fighter capstone = 10%.

Add up the kensai/feat bonuses vs ranger favored enemy.

Something different.

[96th_Malice]

I've got an idea for something different... why don't you play something worth logging in for instead of making yet another carbon copy of a gimped toon?

LOL You make me laugh !

Gimped ? No Ranged toons are WAY underrated.

Can the " kill " of Harry be obtained with a bow ? The answer is " yes " as I did it 2 nights ago in Part 4 using NOTHING but the Radience Bow and 3 rounds of manyshot. ( Kaeylee Barb 14 / Ranger 2 ) Sure melee types are usefull while my manyshot is on its cooldown, BUT as I have found out I still put out more damage firing 1 arrow every second !

Now dont get me wrong ..... I in NO way expected to ever achieve this because "Yes I know that generally melee toons will put out more DPS"... BUT when you always see melee type toons getting the " kill " on him, this train of though is pretty much pre-programmed in your head that a Ranged Toon will NOT get the kill.

SO, am I bragging ..... hmmmm maybe, BUT believe me this was a BIG deal for me. You melee types get the " kill " all the time, not us " gimped " Archers !

I however no longer think in this manner that a melee will always do better than a ranged toon ! I guess it depends on the party make-up.

I do have a theory tho. Maybe it was a bunch of Gimped Barbs and Fighters ?? .... Not likely as I ( and you ) will know most of them as awesome and respectable players online !!

Next point of thought --- Its not Ranged Rangers that are gimped .... Its the person building the toon tryin' to dabble in a bit of both melee and Ranged. Your either an Archer or a TWF !!

DO ONE OR THE OTHER !!

Now as for carbon copies of my toons ... Not one of my Rangers ( archers ) is anything like the other. Maybe with the exception of Cassiee and Danicca.

I have different GS Weapons based from alignment. Different Feats, Some are Arcane , some are Deepwood. Some have Rogue lvls, some have Fighter lvls. Some are PvP spec"d some are quest spec'd !

Regardless ..... All of them are fun to play for different reasons. BUT when it comes down to it. No one has to like your toons but yourself I guess. If I find that my toon is consistantly more of a hinderance than a benefit to the Party ..... I re-roll ! As a matter of fact thats where Danya ( 14 Pally / 2 Ranger ) is headed now ! Its a shame to loose the triple pos bow, but whatever. maybe she'll find herself on another server. Whos to say right now.

Anyways I do appreciate your input, as misinformed on the "gimp toon" portion that you are. But I will stick to my Archers and you stick to the toons that make you want to log onto the game !!

For the record at one time I had a capped Cleric, a high lvl Rogue and a Melee Barb before. YAWN !!! I hated playing em. I didnt want to put ANY more hours into a toon I didnt enjoy playing just so I could have different toons.

Thats like buying a car you dont like just to say we'll at least I tried a different car !

Pointless

Oh well back to work I guess

Later bro

PS: You can stop by The Lobster anytime if you wanna see how gimped my Rangers are !

[96th_Malice]

I'd say the ranger is the better overall character. .

Ya I am gonna build the rest Ranger for sure !

Only time will tell I guess whether it works out or not.

After a weekend of debating I took my 5th lvl as Ranger oficially headed to 2 Barb / 14 Ranger.

What heppens after Mod 9 I guess we'll see

Thanks to everyone for their input