The 32 Point Myth

[shores11]

Saying a fact is a myth does not make it true.

Example someone takes said 4 extra points and does one of the least usefull things with it. (puts it in a dump stat that effects saves.

They will now forever have 2 more on their save then the 28 point build would. No amount of gear or player skill changes this fact as they are all independant of this. Get the single best player in the game with the best gear in the game and raise his save by 2 and it still went up by 2.

I am sorry that you misunderstood the title of this post. The "Myth" I was refering to was that a 32 point build is not so superior to a 28 point build that you can not do just as much be just as dominate and contribute just as much to a group.

[SableShadow]

The trick is to play a pure class, like a cleric or wizard or sorc with your 28 point characters.

My original 28 point character is still going strong... He's not inferior IN ANY IMPORTANT WAY...

His primary stats are just as strong as a 32-point character... His wisdom is just as high. The difference between 28 and 32 is in the secondary stats, and for a pure class, those really don't matter... We're talking 16 more hps (out of 300), we're talking 1 more skill point per level, or 1 more DV...

None of those make me feel like my character is inferior... He does as well at his primary functions as all the 32 point clerics... The differences really are very minor...

Now... when you're talking about complicated multi-class characters, it's different, because they may have multiple (3-4) primary stats instead of 1-2 like a pure class. THAT is where you notice the difference...

Play a 28-point pure wizard or pure cleric to 1750... and you'll never feel like you have to reroll the character...

Drow is another one you won't have to reroll... My first character is a 28 point cleric... still going strong. My second character, after I unlocked drow, was a 13/3 Bard/Rogue... You can play around with MC characters with a drow, and never worry about wanting to reroll them either.

A wizard/rogue drow has very good synergies, and you will not be able to improve it with a 32 point character down the line...

/bestInThread

[shores11]

The only thing I take from a thread called "The 32 point Myth" is this.

Is 32 points better to build a character with than 28? Answer: yes.'

Can you make 28 point characters viable? You sure can, but there is no myth about 32 point builds. It is better to make a character with 32 points than 28 to start.

Any argument to the contrary is just...well. Preposterous.

Oh great and loved by all Gornn... Your must have had a low wisdom roll, as I stated the "Myth" is not that 32 point builds are better than 28 point builds. As you stated so pointedly the math says so 32 is greater than 28 you can not argue the math.

The title "Myth" is applied to this post in that it is a Myth to think that you are gimped or can not compete in this game as a 28 point build. I hope this knowledge improves your next wisdon roll.

[SableShadow]

The title "Myth" is applied to this post in that it is a Myth to think that you are gimped or can not compete in this game as a 28 point build. I hope this knowledge improves your next wisdon roll.

I think the real myth is "not best spec = gimp". 32 vs 28 is just an extension of that.

[shores11]

i don't think it's about feeling inferior or bad... it's about people wanting to contribute the best they possibly can, or maybe even considering time spent on 28pts as "wasted".

For me, there came a time when i realized that i was going to be spending 100s of hours on the characters i was going to play. Why spend those 100s of hours on a 28pt build?

It's all about time, really.
If you're going to be playing a lot, there's no reason for you to stick with a 28. Time/effort spent capping a 32pt is insignificant.
If you rarely play and capping takes you a lot of effort, sticking with a 28pt might be best for you.


if people play enough that sticking with a 28pt build when it'd only take 1-3 weeks to cap a 32pt replacement, sticking with the 28pt is a bad idea in the long run.

Even if it takes you months to cap a toon: if you plan on playing DDO for several years to come, rerolling as 32pt is still a good idea.

Good opinions but you should really try to refrain from making your opinions so absolute as if that is the way of things and so be it.

The fact is I play a lot and I mean a lot. I usually play 6 to 7 days a week on weekends when I am not doing something with the family I am on most of the weekend. I put in 4 to 6 hours after work during the week. Now having said that and the fact that I love playing on my 28 point build capped characters (one of which is as old as the game is) and it is not a waste of my time just because you said so.

[shores11]

/agreed

But I think what the OP meant was that their is a myth about 32 pt builds being the only viable option for end game content. I've heard that stated many times and it's just untrue. I think most of us are all agreeing with eachother actually We just prefer our own way of communicating it.

Val

Well said Valezra you got the meaning of what I was trying to say, nice.

[shores11]

Everything else being equal, a 32 point build in and of itself is indeed superior. I think a lot of people lose sight of that.

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This is simply not true.

[Strakeln]

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This is simply not true.

/facepalm

As you stated so pointedly the math says so 32 is greater than 28 you can not argue the math.

I very clearly stated "Everything else being equal" in the text you quoted.

If everything else is equal, somehow the math that you agree to stops working? I even further qualified it with the phrase "in and of itself".

Make up your mind. Or read more carefully before responding. Your choice.

[shores11]

I very clearly stated "Everything else being equal" in the text you quoted.

If everything else is equal, somehow the math that you agree to stops working? I even further qualified it with the phrase "in and of itself".

Make up your mind. Or read more carefully before responding. Your choice.

The math is the math. I am not sure why or how your trying to twist the meaning of this well intentioned thread. All I ever said was that a 28 point build is just as viable at end game or at any point in the game as a 32 point build. Thats pretty plan and clear...

[Strakeln]

No, you did not and I went back and read your post that I quoted, its not there.

Wait, let me get this straight.

In your post that I quoted, there is a section where you quoted me. The first four words that are in the quote - the quote in your post - are "Everything else being equal".

And yet, here you are telling me that I did not say that?

Dude, do you need a screenshot of your post?

Edit: hah! Pretty quick about-face from you there

[shores11]

Wait, let me get this straight.

In your post that I quoted, there is a section where you quoted me. The first four words that are in the quote - the quote in your post - are "Everything else being equal".

And yet, here you are telling me that I did not say that?

Dude, do you need a screenshot of your post?

Edit: hah! Pretty quick about-face from you there

I am not going to go back and forth with you over something so silly. I was reading another post somewhere else and got the two mixed up, you see I can be adult about this and admit that.

The only question I have is it your intent to patrol the forums and look for ways to take the intent of the thread off topic and try to kill it?

[Strakeln]

The math is the math. I am not sure why or how your trying to twist the meaning of this well intentioned thread.

I'm not twisting anything, you disagreed with a statement that you agreed to only a few posts up.

All I ever said was that a 28 point build is just as viable at end game or at any point in the game as a 32 point build. Thats pretty plan and clear...

And all I ever said was "Everything else being equal, a 32 point build in and of itself is indeed superior. I think a lot of people lose sight of that."

That's pretty plain and clear... and it's not disagreeing with what you've said.

You're obviously mixing up who you're talking to. Slow down and read what you're responding to.

[Strakeln]

The only question I have is it your intent to patrol the forums and look for ways to take the intent of the thread off topic and try to kill it?

You are trying really hard to be exceptionally thick today, aren't you?

Fine, I will reiterate the series of events for you:

- You made this thread
- I posted my opinion, which was very much on-topic
- You quoted me and said I was wrong.
- I defended my statement by pointing out the qualifications I made around it

....now we get into off-topic stuff...

- You tell me that I didn't write what I very clearly did write.
- I assure you I did write what I wrote, and encourage you to re-read the text you quoted
- You accuse me of being off-topic. And here we are.

Seems like slowing down a bit and actually reading what you were responding to might have avoided this whole thing. Twice now in this little exchange you've demonstrated that you're acting in haste. You've even admitted to it once.

...but yeah, I'm derailing your thread...

Remove the sand from your craw.

[shores11]

I'm not twisting anything, you disagreed with a statement that you agreed to only a few posts up.

And all I ever said was "Everything else being equal, a 32 point build in and of itself is indeed superior. I think a lot of people lose sight of that."

That's pretty plain and clear... and it's not disagreeing with what you've said.

You're obviously mixing up who you're talking to. Slow down and read what you're responding to.

The only thing I disagreed with you on was the use of the word superior in regards to the 28 vs 32 point build. The word superior implies a great amount better than where as I implied that although I agree the 32 point build is better in terms of ability point distribution I do not think it is that much superior to the point to make the 28 point build gimp or not worthy of playing.

[shores11]

You are trying really hard to be exceptionally thick today, aren't you?

Fine, I will reiterate the series of events for you:

- You made this thread
- I posted my opinion, which was very much on-topic
- You quoted me and said I was wrong.
- I defended my statement by pointing out the qualifications I made around it

....now we get into off-topic stuff...

- You tell me that I didn't write what I very clearly did write.
- I assure you I did write what I wrote, and encourage you to re-read the text you quoted
- You accuse me of being off-topic. And here we are.

Seems like slowing down a bit and actually reading what you were responding to might have avoided this whole thing. Twice now in this little exchange you've demonstrated that you're acting in haste. You've even admitted to it once.

...but yeah, I'm derailing your thread...

Remove the sand from your craw.

Ok you did it, I'll leave this thread alone, nice work.

[Strakeln]

The only thing I disagreed with you on was the use of the word superior in regards to the 28 vs 32 point build. The word superior implies a great amount better than where as I implied that although I agree the 32 point build is better in terms of ability point distribution I do not think it is that much superior to the point to make the 28 point build gimp or not worthy of playing.

Superior does not imply a "great amount" better. In the way I used it, it can be interpreted as "better than".

"Vastly Superior" implies a "great amount" better.

Stop trying to blame others for your own actions. One of the easiest ways to prevent thread derailment is to avoid doing it yourself... hint hint.

[CaseStringer]

I have been playing since 02/2006 1st week live. When I was a newb, 1 server w/ 5-6 toons wasn't enough for me to try out all the classes/builds that I wanted to experience. Thus, I had a stable on Adar and some alts on Mabar to get to see all I could see.
Drow weren't even in the game yet... I still have two to three 28pters. on each of these servers. I love my characters that have been here from the very beginning.

Since then, I have started new PCs on both Thelanis & Khyber. Now I use a very different method to creating PCs and unlocking the favor.
I tend to start the 28pt I want to play/keep and unlocking the Drow favor and make a Drow.
Here you can either keep the Drow once you unlock 400 favor on the Drow taking him up to 1750 and ditch the original PC. This way you only have Drow & 32pters.
OR...
Keep the 28pter and take him to 1750. Create all drow or 32pters from there.
I see the point of this thread though. I'll never reroll all the 28pters I made in the begininng. They are some of my favorites and far from gimped.
Don't forget you can also round some of the 'odd' stats up w/ Exceptional Stat bonuses through Shroud Crafting, DT armor, etc...
----> CASE

[FluffyCalico]

Very few people cap in 1-2 weeks. ...

My last one I rolled on xp weekend and capped it in 1.5 days. And as for my first toon. My first and 2nd and 3rd were rolled on headstart opening weekend and the first 2 were both capped on Sunday.

[Wrustle]

nom

Try not to get caught up in all the BS that comes along with forum trolls.. There are some people on these forums (and you know who you are) that LIVE to derail peoples threads. It's crazy when you really think about it... but unfortunately, most of the trolls rarely truly think about anything except trying to get that, "I am so freakin' cool dude..." feeling.

I, for one, completely agree with the OP.

I do not agree with the idea that 28 is in any way mathematically greater than 32..... jeez.

My favorite characters that I play on a regular basis are my 28 point builds. It's almost like they're my old buddies and I just can't let them go. Every single one of my 28-pointers are very much still viable builds and contributors to every party they're in.

I have several 32-pointers and rarely play them at all...

That's right, I just used the word "play". It is still a game after all and so many of these forumites seem to lose sight of that.

DnD is a game people!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[Strakeln]

Dude, simply put your an idiot...

lol

You didn't really think that cunning plan all the way through, did you?