Please contact your Senator and Congressman

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I support a strategic restructuring of the auto industry, but I don't know that any of it will be enough. We're currently staving on a complete economic meltdown by printing absurd amounts of currency at interest, yet we have even gotten near the actual amount owed. The next batch of sub prime mortgages will reset next year, which cause further **** to hit the fan.

Who actually owns the Big 3 now? Is it the government or the Fed?

[MJNOR1]

So this bill will Force the struggling GM and Chrysler to keep Struggling dealerships who are not contributing to the success of the company open?

Heres my question....

WHen GM "Closes a Dealership"

Can they actualy force the closure of the dealership or are they just pulling the ability for you to sell GM Vehicles?

Impaqt - No this legislation will not force the automakers to keep struggling or underperforming dealerships open.....but it will reinstate the rights of dealers who do not deserve to be eliminated.....The sales and service agreement that the manufacturer has with the dealer requires minimum sales quotas and customer satisfaction scores and not meeting this criteria is just cause for termination under the franchise laws....the way that these automakers are choosing which dealers to terminate is VERY arbtirary and unfair as they are closing some profitable, sales effective dealerships.

Please explain what you mean by gravy train warranty.......

[Lerincho]

The constitution protects the military personal to be active in our democracy. Military personal cannot wear their uniforms at protests tho. Thank God for the constitution and the ACLU who protect our rights every day. The constitution gives you that right no one else.....don't forget that ever.

too bad not in military huh

[Impaqt]

Impaqt - No this legislation will not force the automakers to keep struggling or underperforming dealerships open.....but it will reinstate the rights of dealers who do not deserve to be eliminated.....The sales and service agreement that the manufacturer has with the dealer requires minimum sales quotas and customer satisfaction scores and not meeting this criteria is just cause for termination under the franchise laws....the way that these automakers are choosing which dealers to terminate is VERY arbtirary and unfair as they are closing some profitable, sales effective dealerships.

Please explain what you mean by gravy train warranty.......

If your in the industry, you know what I'm talking about. Lets just say the the checks coming in from GM and the billable hours dont always match.

I understand that many smaller dealerships are indeed fufilling their commitments as well. And often they have some of the best customer service records as well. What sucks is that GM sees many of these shops as being detrimental to high volume dealerships.

Unfortunatly, they have a point. That doesnt make it right to cut em off at all.... but its a beef with GM.... I dont see how the govt. should be involved with it at all.

If they have a problem with GM breaking their commitments, they should sue GM for breach of contract... Not cry to b.o.

I actually have friends and clients that own several large dealerships. This has been a topic of conversation many times for me.

[MJNOR1]

If your in the industry, you know what I'm talking about. Lets just say the the checks coming in from GM and the billable hours dont always match.

I understand that many smaller dealerships are indeed fufilling their commitments as well. And often they have some of the best customer service records as well. What sucks is that GM sees many of these shops as being detrimental to high volume dealerships.

Unfortunatly, they have a point. That doesnt make it right to cut em off at all.... but its a beef with GM.... I dont see how the govt. should be involved with it at all.

If they have a problem with GM breaking their commitments, they should sue GM for breach of contract... Not cry to b.o.

I actually have friends and clients that own several large dealerships. This has been a topic of conversation many times for me.

The issue that I am pointing out is that GM or Chrysler would not be able to eliminate these dealerships if they were not in bankruptcy......because they do not have just cause....I am not in favor of government involvement in our daily business operations either.....but isn't everyone entitled to due process? Don't we have lawmakers that are supposed to intervene when due process is circumvented?

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The issue that I am pointing out is that GM or Chrysler would not be able to eliminate these dealerships if they were not in bankruptcy......because they do not have just cause....I am not in favor of government involvement in our daily business operations either.....but isn't everyone entitled to due process? Don't we have lawmakers that are supposed to intervene when due process is circumvented?

You should keep in mind that the line between the government and the financial sector is thinning by the moment.

[MJNOR1]

You should keep in mind that the line between the government and the financial sector is thinning by the moment.

I agree Chuck......but it does not change the fact that everyone is entitled to a fair shake.

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I agree Chuck......but it does not change the fact that everyone is entitled to a fair shake.

According to the rights we were taught about it school, you are correct. However, the reality is that monetary interests trump government authority. I suspect it will only get worse.

Yesterday Obama gave full authority over banking and finance to the Fed. Strap your ****ing helmets on kids! Its gonna be a fun* ride!





*We're all going broke.

[Lerincho]

Sorry bud, but I agree with Impaqt, should not be the goverments job to get involved. Wasn't in favor of any of the bail out; as you could see gave a lot of greedy people exactly what they wanted, a safety net.

Goverment set up things like TVA and other infrustructure programs I have no problem with, but aiding a failing business I do. Did you know that some of the stimpulus package actually caused people who were on food stamps legitamately to not qualify for them anymore because of less than $5 difference in taxable income? So the very people that were to be helped, have been hurt.

More to the point. If GM made better quality vehicles and stop pushing the stupid stuff like the Aztec or some of there other loser automobiles, and focused on fuel economy and alternative fuel cars, they would not be in this bind in the first place.

[Duplicate_10]

Sorry bud, but I agree with Impaqt, should not be the goverments job to get involved. Wasn't in favor of any of the bail out; as you could see gave a lot of greedy people exactly what they wanted, a safety net.

Goverment set up things like TVA and other infrustructure programs I have no problem with, but aiding a failing business I do. Did you know that some of the stimpulus package actually caused people who were on food stamps legitamately to not qualify for them anymore because of less than $5 difference in taxable income? So the very people that were to be helped, have been hurt.

More to the point. If GM made better quality vehicles and stop pushing the stupid stuff like the Aztec or some of there other loser automobiles, and focused on fuel economy and alternative fuel cars, they would not be in this bind in the first place.

I wasn't a fan of the bailout. However, the bailout became necessary due to a massive sum of money in the global economy that turned out to be imaginary. Were it not for our government saying we would put up over a trillion dollars to cover investor's losses, we might have seen all our banks go under in October.

The auto industry is just a bi-product of who we're actually bailing out - our banks. Its shameful that auto workers will take the punishment for their poor lending practices.

[Lerincho]

On a side note for you, as someone that actually worked within a Congression office for a U S Representative. You can call in and they can take the talley of the all the opinions until their hand falls off. The Representative of that congressional office that you called, is going to vote the way his party and the people in power tell him to vote; even if 10000% of the constituents are opposed to it. Pure and simple fact, your opinion matters little within the walls of the legislative branch.

[Uproar]

The constitution gives you that right no one else.....don't forget that ever.

The constitution gives rights, but I am not sure if having a voice (freedom of speech) in how one is governed (also a liberty of primary worth) is one of those. The constitution merely makes clear to those that otherwise would seek to confuse that these rights are not to be infringed.

The bill of rights reflects but a portion of the inherient rights all men are endowed whether protected by (a)constitution or not.

[Delacroix21]

Which no doubt includes the Gravy Train Warranty service as well I assume....

I feel for the OP.. This economy is tough right now.....

I simply cant get behind any kind of legislation that forces a Company to keep under performing Outlets open.

GM has essentially sold the same cars with 4 or 5 different nameplates on em for years now. Theres so many dealers I can understand how it is impossible to keep them all open and hope to ever turn a profit.

Exactly...


These are hard times for everyone, and have caused people to do things (out of fear of their futures) to give the government more power then is necessary. The same is true for all of those Union auto workers refusing to take a pay cut. Well instead of losing 5 dollars an hour, they are now losing everything by the companies shutting down. None of the other Japanese auto factories will pay them there previously high union wage, or even the 5 dollars less.


I live in California, and I am a teacher no less. I know how Unions are Killing my State, and ESPECIALLY the teachers Union. I would take a pay cut if it meant saving other teachers jobs, but NO our greedy Union and fellow teachers would rather see new teachers laid off then see their money touched. Being a new teacher myself I can forsee my own lay off on the horizon, but thankfully I am planning ahead by applying to a completely different job.(undisclosed)


While I feel for the OP, I must advise that in these times the people who are making it through are either lucky (to still have their job) or smart (looked for a new job, EVEN if it pays less). Too many people wallow in unemployment right now because they refuse to do a job for less money, but I have a family to care for, and they matter to me more then my pride.


Best of luck to everyone in these hard times!

[FluffyCalico]

There is a resolution sponsored in the House of Representatives - H.R. 2743 that will restore the automobile dealer's rights under franchise laws which will hinder GM and Chrysler's ability to arbitrarily eliminate dealers thereby saving tens of thousands of jobs......including mine!

Your support would be greatly appreciated so please contact your Congressman and Senator and encourage them to co-sponsor this bill.

Thanks in advance.

Which will make their backruptcy less effective possibly killing off every single dealer putting even more people out of work. While I feel your pain it could be the lesser of 2 painful things both of which would cost you your job

[MJNOR1]

Sorry bud, but I agree with Impaqt, should not be the goverments job to get involved. Wasn't in favor of any of the bail out; as you could see gave a lot of greedy people exactly what they wanted, a safety net.

Goverment set up things like TVA and other infrustructure programs I have no problem with, but aiding a failing business I do. Did you know that some of the stimpulus package actually caused people who were on food stamps legitamately to not qualify for them anymore because of less than $5 difference in taxable income? So the very people that were to be helped, have been hurt.

More to the point. If GM made better quality vehicles and stop pushing the stupid stuff like the Aztec or some of there other loser automobiles, and focused on fuel economy and alternative fuel cars, they would not be in this bind in the first place.

Please understand this is not about aiding the failing business (GM) this is about stopping the failing business from eliminating successful businesses

[FluffyCalico]

Please understand this is not about aiding the failing business (GM) this is about stopping the failing business from eliminating successful businesses

Sell Toyotas and Kias?

[Lerincho]

Please understand this is not about aiding the failing business (GM) this is about stopping the failing business from eliminating successful businesses

No i fully understand what you are trying to do. does not change my opinion about the matter at all. I do feel bad for your situation, i have a great number of friends in the same; but that does not mean there needs to be a "mulligan" option for a business. They are individual car dealerships for a reason, it's so that those individuals can make their own business decisions. Can elected to go down with the ship...... or transition to automaker that is actually making money.

[MJNOR1]

[QUOTE=Lerincho;2248990]They are individual car dealerships for a reason, it's so that those individuals can make their own business decisions.


That is exactly my problem.....the dealers are not being allowed to make their own decisions....the decisions are being made for them.

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They are individual car dealerships for a reason, it's so that those individuals can make their own business decisions.


That is exactly my problem.....the dealers are not being allowed to make their own decisions....the decisions are being made for them.

Wasn't Saturn attempting to become a dealer-owned company? That didn't seem like a terrible idea.

[Lerincho]

[QUOTE=MJNOR1;2249370]

They are individual car dealerships for a reason, it's so that those individuals can make their own business decisions.


That is exactly my problem.....the dealers are not being allowed to make their own decisions....the decisions are being made for them.

and that is what bankruptcy protection is designed to do!