Feats Nobody Uses

[MrCow]

Precision

This is a situationally overpowered feat. Providing you can reach a monster without causing aggro (or stop it in its tracks), have low to moderate STR, and the monster in question has DR then you can whack them relentlessly without fear of retalitation (providing you do 0 damage per swing). Examples include:

• Blinding an orthon and hitting it until a banishing weapon banishes it.
• Having a bard fascinate a flesh golem (Music of the Makers) and hitting it until it is smited.
• Halt Undead to a wheep and hit it with a slashing or bludgeoning disruptor.
• Sneaking up behind flesh render and hitting it until you vorpal it.

Here is an example of using precision and vorpal in Rainbow in the Dark.

useless enhacements: hero's companion

It was brought to my attention that the morale bonus for one reason or another stacks with standard morale bonuses, causing it to stack. Therefore, it can be used in Hound of Xoriat with good effect.

[BelVic]

Sneaking up behind flesh render and hitting it until you vorpal it.


Here is an example of using precision and vorpal in Rainbow in the Dark.

Nice...would make power critical feat also usefull for situtations like this.

Question : after you vorpal mob it's doesn't make you unstealthy ? from video.
And if trying to make same on rogue would sneak attack damage make it worse ?

[QuantumFX]

I've considered making a bludgeoning barbarian. Partially for fun/variety, and partially for synergy between bludgeoning weapons and stunning blow. So IC bludgeoning would be a feat that I would take for that sort of build.

A Stunning Blow (or for that matter a tactics) based kensai could have some nice synergy too.

[MrCow]

Nice...would make power critical feat also usefull for situtations like this.

Question : after you vorpal mob it's doesn't make you unstealthy ? from video.
And if trying to make same on rogue would sneak attack damage make it worse ?

Power Critical could help the situation when using this method, but the fact that Precision is +4 To-Hit (and thus +4 to confirm criticals also) it isn't really needed.

When module 8 came out we had the change to stealth attacking such that any attack made in stealth does not cause you to break out of it (to help assassins). This change aids my ability to pull this off.

In regards to sneak attack damage, you are correct that levels of rogue would make this a foolhardy thing to try, unless the critter has 100% fortification (such as vampires).

[krud]

Improved Feint - I have a fighter/rogue that played around with improved feint and cleave. Great for soloing, otherwise it was only a so-so ability thru gianthold. I dropped it. Since sitting at cap it seems all i do (the rare times I still log on) is zerg in raids where the few seconds of sneak attack and distraction don't seem to make any difference.

Precision - I have it on my ranged wizard. Great for on-hit effects like curse, shattermantle, paralyze, shaken, disruption, destruction, greater slaying arrows, etc. I really like it when I get a big yellow zero and the mob still goes "poof". No aggro is good for a squishy wizard.

Quick Draw - had it on my s&b fighter/rogue. It was good with stunning blow and the tenderizer. stun mob, switch to puncturer, dead mob. It gave me at least one extra swing before the stun wore off. Now that he's got the full TWF line, he doesn't need it anymore. *edit - I remember I also had it on my ranged cleric. Really helps when switching from weapon to scroll/wand.

Resilience - Have it on my ftr/rogue. I sacrificed some reflex save when making him, so turning this on makes up the difference. With it on he's got the same reflex save as almost any pure rogue. Helped out a lot when trap DCs were bumped up really high.

[BelVic]

running to change feats on my sneaky caster....

guess I need to find mentau googles for seeker +4 .....bloodstone can be option on fleshie but I like head of good fortune on WF.

Or may be vod googles can be still option to give +5 to SA with lowered smeak damage...need to test.

Currently trying to get destruction on DT docent for non sneaking situations.

[Xyrandina]

I use power critical. I love it. Maybe someone already posted that...

[Hafeal]

Is there any quest where listen was helpful other then the wizard king? Speaking of useless skills my rogue doesn't have a single point in hide or move silently.

Listen, hide and move silently may appear to have no benefit depending on you or your group's style of play. If you play more old school, slow and methodical, putting points into hide and move silently can be very beneficial. If you zerg, generally not as useful.

As for listen, I have never been a big proponent, however, Talon just started a thread and has me reconsidering to at least try some listen points for a stealth build:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...hlight=Stealth

[Zenako]

Listen, hide and move silently may appear to have no benefit depending on you or your group's style of play. If you play more old school, slow and methodical, putting points into hide and move silently can be very beneficial. If you zerg, generally not as useful.

As for listen, I have never been a big proponent, however, Talon just started a thread and has me reconsidering to at least try some listen points for a stealth build:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...hlight=Stealth

My intelligent ranger/rogue "scout" has points in all the core rogue skills. With spells like Wild Instincts running, you can "see" almost anything on the field of play. With points in listen you can "hear" those invisible mobs quite often and target them. Lots of use while running solo or scouting. Not so useful in a zerg fest I agree.

[Comfortably]

Is there any quest where listen was helpful other then the wizard king? Speaking of useless skills my rogue doesn't have a single point in hide or move silently.

It was a joke

[moonprophet]

Please correct me. The purpose of this thread is that I'm hoping someone will show me a use for one of these feats that I am unaware of.

These are the feats nobody uses.

Acrobatic
Alertness
Athletic
Diehard - only as a free feat
Will take this one on a cleric for the first few levels
Discipline
I take this one on monk builds
Exotic Weapons:Great Crossbow
Great Fortitude
Hamstring
Improved Critical: Bludgeoning or Thrown Weapons
Improved Feint
Improved Shield Bash
Improved Sunder
Mobile Spellcasting
Mobility - unless a requirement
Point Blank Shot - only if required
Power Critical
Precision
Quick Draw
Resilience
Resist Poison
Sap
Self Sufficient
Will take this one on some squishier characters to open u the mithral defender enhancement line
Shot on the Run
Skill Focus: any except UMD, Haggle, Intimidate
Slicing Blow
Snake Blood
Stealthy
Tower Shield Proficiency
Two WEapon Blocking
Weapon Focus - unless it's free (edit: or required for something else)
This one is almost always used on any of my dps toons
Eschew Materials
Spell Focus: Abjuration, Conjuration, Evocation, Transmutation
Spell focus : Conjuration helps get niacs off more often at low levels. Use it for that
Greater Spell Focus: same

Deflect Arrows
Will use this one as soon as I get confirmation that it works
My, that is a lot.

Edit: 'That used to be good back in Mod *...' Doesn't really count.

Your list is pretty close, especially if you assume we are talking only abourt experienced players building toons for optimization and endgame rather than a role playing concept.

[SableShadow]

One of the reasons I'm going 19 rogue is I hope (eventually), we'll be able to substitute regular feats for rogue feats. I'll be taking Quickdraw (I do a lot of scroll and weapon swapping), assuming they fix the lag.

[Boneyard]

Improved Crit Bludgeon & Precision: I think the case for this has already been made for these, just throwing my support behind them.

Tower Shield: Every fighter gets it for free, Intimitank Pallys take it on occasion. Next time you are running around Stormreach look at how many non-Lorrik's blue shields you see.

Notice, however, that no one seems to be disagreeing with the vast majority of your list?

-J

[schroedingercat]

Everyone should reroll, max listen and take skill focus: Listen.

i think this should apply to real life too.

[daniel7]

My ranger melees about 60% of the time and ranges about 40% of the time. Where does that fit into your model?

I did later change out quick draw for something else but it took me a while to get use to it. Rangers should just get this feat for free to express there weopon versatility.

[daniel7]

Listen, hide and move silently may appear to have no benefit depending on you or your group's style of play. If you play more old school, slow and methodical, putting points into hide and move silently can be very beneficial. If you zerg, generally not as useful.

As for listen, I have never been a big proponent, however, Talon just started a thread and has me reconsidering to at least try some listen points for a stealth build:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...hlight=Stealth

Yeah my first rogue maxed out hide and move silently but I rarely used it. When I rolled up my last rogue I had one extra skill point to put somewhere, and since I figured hide without move silently was worthless and so was move silently without hide, I actually put points into listen. I did this just incase listen became important. My rangers put points into hide and move silently. Oh and I maxed out hide and move silently on my wizard to get a little closer when I finger or mass suggest.

[Djeserit]

The best answers so far:

Web is a conjuration! - Thanks Nevthial, I think this is much overlooked.
Improved Feint gives everyone a sneak attack, followed by a cleave can debuff a whole group - Nice combo, I never thought of that. Thx
Sap - There's no save if you make the hit. With a good group this can be a super feat. Yet very few take it. Thx Depravity
Precision - can be used to avoid aggroing mobs with DR while killing them with vorpal, nice Mr. Cow

I judge these to be the most original ideas in the thread so far. I gave reputation points to each of you.

Thanks for sharing your ideas and experience; I can't wait to try some of these myself.