Feats Nobody Uses

[Djeserit]

Please correct me. The purpose of this thread is that I'm hoping someone will show me a use for one of these feats that I am unaware of.

These are the feats nobody uses.

Acrobatic
Alertness
Athletic
Diehard - only as a free feat
Discipline
Exotic Weapons:Great Crossbow
Great Fortitude
Hamstring
Improved Critical: Bludgeoning or Thrown Weapons
Improved Feint
Improved Shield Bash
Improved Sunder
Mobile Spellcasting
Mobility - unless a requirement
Point Blank Shot - only if required
Power Critical
Precision
Quick Draw
Resilience
Resist Poison
Sap
Self Sufficient
Shot on the Run
Skill Focus: any except UMD, Haggle, Intimidate
Slicing Blow
Snake Blood
Stealthy
Tower Shield Proficiency
Two WEapon Blocking
Weapon Focus - unless it's free (edit: or required for something else)

Eschew Materials
Spell Focus: Abjuration, Conjuration, Evocation, Transmutation
Greater Spell Focus: same

Deflect Arrows

My, that is a lot.

Edit: 'That used to be good back in Mod *...' Doesn't really count.

[Djeserit]

The best answers so far:

Web is a conjuration! - Thanks Nevthial, I think this is much overlooked.
Improved Feint gives everyone a sneak attack, followed by a cleave can debuff a whole group - Nice combo, I never thought of that. Thx
Sap - There's no save if you make the hit. With a good group this can be a super feat. Yet very few take it. Thx Depravity
Precision - can be used to avoid aggroing mobs with DR while killing them with vorpal, nice Mr. Cow

[Djeserit]

The best answers so far:

Web is a conjuration! - Thanks Nevthial, I think this is much overlooked.
Improved Feint gives everyone a sneak attack, followed by a cleave can debuff a whole group - Nice combo, I never thought of that. Thx
Sap - There's no save if you make the hit. With a good group this can be a super feat. Yet very few take it. Thx Depravity
Precision - can be used to avoid aggroing mobs with DR while killing them with vorpal, nice Mr. Cow

I judge these to be the most original ideas in the thread so far. I gave reputation points to each of you.

Thanks for sharing your ideas and experience; I can't wait to try some of these myself.

[rest]

My Big F'n Stick toon uses Imp Crit: Bludgeoning.

Also, a guildie of mine is looking into a 5% weighted maul barb.. so I imagine he'll be using it.

[Depravity]

I have used both sap and precision. Not to mention imp crit: bludgeon on my big stick character. In fact, he's got sap too. Good for caster hunting on multiple caster clusters.

My stealth characters w/out full rank stealth levels usually take stealthy first few levels, then go visit Fred.

Reasoning for these:

Sap - 18 (? forget the time, too lazy to look it up) second mesmerize, no save, just for hitting. Usefulness is somewhat dependent on teammates, but this feat is insane if everyone in a group has it.

Precision - even with subtle backstabbing, sometimes you just can't keep from pulling aggro away from the "dps builds". I use it as a nother aggro control tool. Precision on a crippling strike rogue gets you more sneak attacks with strength damage. Doesn't help your kill count, but it does help the rest of the party - essentially any crippling hit with enfeebling weapons gives the entire party a stacking dr 1/ against that mob.

[Zenako]

Well most of the list is a wasteland to be sure...but I actually have taken and used the following:


Precision - the extra +4 to hit was very useful back in the days of Drow Blackguard in Tempest Spine to ensure I was landing with my Cursespewer of Destruction, among other things. At higher levels I eventually swapped it out.

Quickdraw - for the small speed boost to weapon swapping when you are a toolbox of weapons. ON a feat starved toon, nah. On a fighter, you can find a spot for it. Now once you get an UBER weapon so the toolbox no longer matters as much, swap it out.

Tower Shield Proficiency - A melee based cleric at early levels. A tradeoff between easy defense and a slight hit to attack. Non-proficient really hurts. Once you get a Madstone shield, swap it out immediately.

Skill Focus: Thieves skills like Disable for a bridging boost until you no longer need it.
Skill Focus: Negotiator for the True Hagglebots. (Stacks with SF: Haggle)

[Borror0]

Precision

That belongs in the list since it is no longer useful.

Quickdraw
Tower Shield Proficiency

I agree, those two do not belong.

Skill Focus: Negotiator for the True Hagglebots. (Stacks with SF: Haggle)

Negotiator is not in his list. Look again.

[Zenako]

That belongs in the list since it is no longer useful.

Negotiator is not in his list. Look again.

Nope. wrong, you look again....

his list...

Skill Focus: any except UMD, Haggle, Intimidate

Don't see Negotiator on that....

[Korvek]

Nope. wrong, you look again....

his list...

Skill Focus: any except UMD, Haggle, Intimidate

Don't see Negotiator on that....

Negotiator isn't a Skill Focus feat...

[Borror0]

Don't see Negotiator on that....

Negotiator is not a skill, and therefore does not have it's own skill focus.

It's a feat on its own, like Alertness (which happens to be on his list because it's useless).

[Djeserit]

I agree, those two do not belong.

RE: Tower Shield
Perhaps I am wrong about the Tower Shield. I don't see them a lot in the PUG's I play in. Maybe it is more popular among the more skilled/experienced players. In general Tanking and intimdation and high AC are rare in PUG's. It usually only happens if you happen to pick up a loose player from one of the elite guilds.

RE: Quick Draw
I have tried Quick Draw a couple of times. What I found was that the slow part of switching weapons is me, the player. Maybe if I were a better player of had my hot keys set up better. My stick fighters (both of them) have every qstaff I can think of except greensteel (I hate the shroud). Yet I went to Fred and traded off Qick Draw on both of them. Am I doing something wrong?

[QuantumFX]

Weapon Focus: Every Warchanter, Arcane Archer and Deepwood Sniper will have a weapon focus feat. Come Mod 9 every Kensai build will have the feat.

[Emili]

Weapon Focus: Every Warchanter, Arcane Archer and Deepwood Sniper will have a weapon focus feat. Come Mod 9 every Kensai build will have the feat.

Actually every fighter who cares about dps of anykind will take weapon focus... it is a needed pre-req for weapon specialization (+2 damages) and greater weapon specialization (another +2 stacking damage) and I believe greater weapon specialization is use for the two +1 damage weapon spec enhancements also... thus +6 damage total along with +5 from power attack (+11) allows them to at least rub shoulders with barbs, rangers and paladins in damage output. Without it they're just a punching bag in comparison to the other melee. Kensai requires Superior Weapon Focus.

I'm also quite sure every rogue acrobat and unarmed monk have IC: bludgeoning - if not they need to reroll or switch it in.

[Slink]

Man, I hope Jukob gets in here for this thread.
I bet he could make a character limited to that list of feats and still bring his canopener.

S.

[Healemup]

I'm also quite sure every rogue acrobat and unarmed monk have IC: bludgeoning - if not they need to reroll or switch it in.

I have two thief acrobats and neither uses the quarterstaff. The reason for acrobat, in my opinion, is for the immunity to knockdown, increased run speed, clickie boost to dex (AC/to-hit). I hardly believe either of those are in need of the bludgeoning feat. Seriously, a radiance rapier and IC: piercing is much more useful on a rogue (anything).

My 2cp.

[Yajerman01]

I'm also quite sure every rogue acrobat and unarmed monk have IC: bludgeoning - if not they need to reroll or switch it in.

Aleutian my rogue doesnt have it, but then again he is only 13 and doesnt have his uber rapiers crafted yet.

[Angelus_dead]

I had to get to a level Borror0's good at, flat out denial of arguments and poorly worded insults seemed best.

Borror likes the black and white walls of his little box, and tends to belittle anyone who tries to introduce shades of gray into Eberron.

You people should probably read the rules of this forum, if you'd like to continue accessing it.

[WeaselKing]

My Big F'n Stick toon uses Imp Crit: Bludgeoning.

Also, a guildie of mine is looking into a 5% weighted maul barb.. so I imagine he'll be using it.

I second this as I am leveling a 5% weighted maul barb myself. I also have a tactics build fighter that uses Sap. He uses sap as the third tactic, trip the first guy, stunning blow the second and sap the third. Of caurse Sap can ne a pain to use in a party since hitting the sapped mob wakes them back up, but for solo, when you are seperated from your party, or you are with a party that knows whats going on, then it works great as there is no save for mobs that can be affected.

[Aranticus]

Precision - used to be a feat the original tempest rangers took so they could hit the blackguards in tempest spine
Quick Draw - almost all tactics based characters will try to fit in this feat so they can switch weapons quickly
Weapon Focus - do not know what you mean by free but most fighters will take it

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[Borror0]

Weapon Focus - do not know what you mean by free but most fighters will take it

If I made the list, I would put it on the list.

It's useless, except for when it is a prereq to something good. Same applies for Mobility and Spring Attack.