This is a build i decided to try to make for a rogue wizard with 2 lvls in rogue and the rest wizard. I didn't work on it to 16 because i wanted to see if what i have so far is any good because finishing it. This build I'm looking to this rogue be able to disable traps and pick locks at end game, but I'm not really going for elite disable and lock pick since from what i heard that hard even for a pure rogue. As for the wizard i mainly want to him to buff and do damage. As for not being a 32pt build and no tomes is because I'm new to the game and just got my drow about half a week ago and wanted to work on a build for one.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.00 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 8 True Neutral Drow Male (2 Rogue \ 6 Wizard) Hit Points: 72 Spell Points: 430 BAB: 4\4 Fortitude: 4 Reflex: 10 Will: 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Stats Modified Stats Abilities (Level 1) (Level 8) Strength 10 10 Dexterity 12 12 Constitution 14 14 Intelligence 18 21 Wisdom 12 12 Charisma 10 10 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 8) Balance 5 6 Bluff 0 0 Concentration 4 7 Diplomacy 0 2 Disable Device 8 17 Haggle 0 0 Heal 3 4 Hide 5 6 Intimidate 0 0 Jump 4 5 Listen 5 8 Move Silently 5 6 Open Lock 5 7.5 Perform n/a n/a Repair 4 5 Search 8 22 Spot 5 15 Swim 0 0 Tumble 5 6 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Heal (+2) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Listen (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Elven Keen Hearing I Enhancement: Elven Perception I Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Enhancement: Improved Drow Spell Resistence I Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I Level 3 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+3) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Search Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I Level 4 (Wizard) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Search I Enhancement: Rogue Spot I Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I Level 5 (Wizard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 6 (Wizard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force I Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation II Level 7 (Wizard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Force I Level 8 (Wizard) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
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Thread: Rogue/Wizard Build in the making
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06-10-2009, 09:54 PM #1Community Member
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Rogue/Wizard Build in the making
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06-11-2009, 12:04 AM #2Community Member
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Originally Posted by berend7
To put it simply: You heard wrong.
A rogue cant afford to max out INT, while a wizards needs to do exactly that. So a Wizard with a rogue spash has better search and disable scores than a normal rogue.
Also being pure or being a splash has nothing to do with how good you are in dealing with traps. its all about skill rank and INT bonus, as well as how good your skillitem is. nothing of which is effected by the number of rogue level you have.
Also ther is no "elite lock picking". You can even afford to not max out the skill if you have a moderate DEX.
Building a good trapdealing character is not very difficult:
Get yourself a good INT score (at least 14 base), max out Search, Disable and Open Lock at every level and you wil be perfectly capable of dealing with all traps.
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You took SF:Search, drop it, its unnecessary. You dont need it if you have halfway level appropriate gear.
Your stats need some tweaking:
Strength 10
Dexterity 10
Constitution 14
Intelligence 20
Wisdom 8
Charisma 10
You did not max out INT, which is a must-have on a Wizard, especially on a Arcane Trickster build which is also desperate for skillpoints.
Afther you have maxed out in that order Concentration, Search, Disable and Open Lock, you can invest the rest of your skillpoints into UMD. You will be able to max it out in the higher levels.
Also dont take your 2nd rogue level immediately as your 2nd character level. take it at 8th character level so you get more skillpoint sout of it, and can invest more skillpoints into UMD on a 1-on-1 basis.
A 18 Wizard / 2 Rogue with full trap skills is a viable build idea.Last edited by Noctus; 06-11-2009 at 12:09 AM.
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06-11-2009, 12:10 AM #3Community Member
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Ok ty for the advice. thank for telling me there is no elite lock picking.
Ello
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06-11-2009, 12:25 AM #4Community Member
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Personally i would lower con to 12 and either raise dex, strength or cha Originally Posted by Noctus
14 Dex would give better reflex, 14 stregth would give you melee capability, or 14 cha would help umd.... better then a couple extra hp IMO.
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06-11-2009, 01:19 AM #5Community Member
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i got insightful reflex so i get reflex from my int modifier Originally Posted by Monkey_Archer
Ello
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06-11-2009, 01:21 AM #6Community Member
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Ok i decided to try to finish it to lvl 16. A few things. 1. i think my int is low and my skills are low, because ive seen other builds that have like 32 int or something and much higher skills. So can someone point out how i messed that up and if you see something i didn't or just didn't know about please tell me.
Edited:Forgot to add some enhancements.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.00 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 16 True Neutral Drow Male (2 Rogue \ 14 Wizard) Hit Points: 120 Spell Points: 1137 BAB: 8\8\13 Fortitude: 6 Reflex: 16 Will: 8 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Stats Modified Stats Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16) Strength 10 10 Dexterity 10 10 Constitution 14 14 Intelligence 20 29 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 10 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) Balance 4 4 Bluff 0 0 Concentration 4 18.5 Diplomacy 0 1 Disable Device 9 31 Haggle 0 0 Heal 1 1 Hide 4 4 Intimidate 0 0 Jump 4 4 Listen 3 6 Move Silently 4 4 Open Lock 4 22 Perform n/a n/a Repair 5 9 Search 9 33 Spot 3 23 Swim 0 0 Tumble 4 4.5 Use Magic Device 4 4 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Heal (+2) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Listen (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I Level 2 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+0.5) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I Level 3 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+3) Skill: Disable Device (+1.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Search I Enhancement: Rogue Spot I Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I Level 4 (Wizard) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Disable Device (+1.5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force I Level 5 (Wizard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1.5) Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation II Level 6 (Wizard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I Enhancement: Wizard Concentration I Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Force I Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II Level 7 (Wizard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Concentration (+1.5) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+5) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+2) Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II Level 9 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1.5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III Level 10 (Wizard) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force II Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation III Level 11 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Elven Keen Hearing I Enhancement: Elven Perception I Level 12 (Wizard) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV Level 13 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 14 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Elven Perception II Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II Level 15 (Wizard) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III Level 16 (Wizard) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements III Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Last edited by berend7; 06-11-2009 at 01:26 AM.
Ello
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06-11-2009, 08:12 AM #7Community Member
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The character planer ouitput is without attribute boosters and skill items and without standart buffs like greater heroism, which people have on them 99.99% of the time in-game. (the 0.01 time is when fighting a beholder)because ive seen other builds that have like 32 int or something and much higher skills.
For example INT:
20 base + 4 level up + 6 item + 3 enhancement +1 tome = your Drow wizard will reach a standing INT of 34 without any hard to get items. If you got lucky ion a raid and get a +3 tome you can even rech a standing INT of 36.
Build looks good now. You will be doing fine with traps.
You took Nimble Fingers, switch that out for one Thoughness feat, and take the corresponding enhancements, to help with the inherent squishyness of the Wizard class.
You have a sky-high INT which no rogue can hope to equal. Feats are unnecessary to be able to deal with traps and can be better invested elsewhere for a better benefit to your character.
[somehow the last sentence sounds Borat-esque....]Erzskalde (Warchanter) / Erzassassin (just passing through - ignore me) / Erzsoldat (waiting for TR-time) / Erzschmied (ranged Artificer)
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06-11-2009, 09:16 AM #8Community Member
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What does that mean? Originally Posted by Noctus
Thank you for the advice on making this build and i thought the feat was much but didn't know what else to get.
Well now just to fix those last few things and make the guy.Ello
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06-11-2009, 02:49 PM #9Community Member
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"Borat-esque" as in the style of
Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
Sometimes my sentences can get a bit unsmooth and i get the feeling that they sound very "un-native" to a native speaker when i proof-read them.
But i am digressing, Enjoy your very versatile Wizard!Last edited by Noctus; 06-11-2009 at 02:59 PM.
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06-12-2009, 11:45 AM #10Community Member
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He could also eventually get +2 exceptional intelligence from a greensteel scepter for a total of 38! Originally Posted by Noctus
Personally, I'd go with warforged over drow even knowing I only had 28 points. Being able to heal yourself on a build like this is lovely.
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06-12-2009, 11:48 AM #11Community Member
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Keep in mind though that just because RIGHT NOW there are no high end locks, doesn't mean future content won't have high end locks. Back in DQ days there definitely were locks that the casual picker couldn't get. Originally Posted by berend7
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06-12-2009, 12:07 PM #12Community Member
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Ok, well, Not to tout the popular cookie cutter build here, but you missed one very important part here that makes this build increadablely strong and a whole lot of fun to play... (Play what you like however) Race: Warforged! Wizards and sorcs cast repair, which allows you to be selfhealing. My Lvl 7/2 Wiz/Rogue, can solo most content, yet still is strong help to the group. With High Int scores, insightful reflexes, and evasion he is nearly immune to all reflex based attacks. WF natural Immunities are great too.
At Lvl 9, he has never failed a trap, and only failed searches on content 4 lvls over his head. Open locks skills are nice, but as a wizard you'll also get knock, which means one less thing to try and put points into.
Skill point spread, you have some good examples here, so I won't go into that again.(Say): Haywire says, '"Hey, I don't come into yer home and play with things."'
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06-12-2009, 02:32 PM #13Community Member
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Umd
Don't forget to max out your UMD skill when you reach 14th+ level. As a fleshy, you will need to be able to utilize heal scrolls for self healing AND for group healing. Nothing is better than saving the day by being able to Raise & Heal Clerics who get dropped. ( And thus save the Quest/Raid ) Self healing is great, but if you cannot heal others as well, it is nearly useless in a group game.
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